a social institution existing for 2 thousand years

how likely is something so stable to change?

how do you define state entities

and being replaced by other institutions that operate on a similar basis

do you mean just hierarchies or centralized governance

no no no

not talking about what comes after

the roman empire as everyone knows it

how likely is it to change

Well, it wasn't stable

It changed a lot

it lasted 2000 years

Went through periods of instability

but it lasted 2000 years

@Loopy a political organization under one government that rules territory.

so again, how likely was it to change

very likely

how so

there were numerous times throughout Roman history were the empire nearly gave way

look at the punic wars

but it lasted 2000 years

and?

this isnt comparable

you keep shifting the point

this is just illogical

no im not

im using *your basis* that being the length of time something has lasted for to indicate its likelihood of change

you bring up irrelevant premises

no thats not my basis

its not a time thing

its an absolute fact

you said state based systems have existed for all time

thats using the length of time

that no civilization existed without states

i said all history

same thing

this isnt a basis of time

what is it a basis of?

im saying that civilizations never existed without the company of a state

its not they existed for very long

yeah so?