how likely is it to change

Well, it wasn't stable

It changed a lot

it lasted 2000 years

Went through periods of instability

but it lasted 2000 years

@Loopy a political organization under one government that rules territory.

so again, how likely was it to change

very likely

how so

there were numerous times throughout Roman history were the empire nearly gave way

look at the punic wars

but it lasted 2000 years

and?

this isnt comparable

you keep shifting the point

this is just illogical

no im not

im using *your basis* that being the length of time something has lasted for to indicate its likelihood of change

you bring up irrelevant premises

no thats not my basis

its not a time thing

its an absolute fact

you said state based systems have existed for all time

thats using the length of time

that no civilization existed without states

i said all history

same thing

this isnt a basis of time

what is it a basis of?

im saying that civilizations never existed without the company of a state

its not they existed for very long

yeah so?

but cant things change?

its that no alternatives have ever existed

but youre dealing in absolutes

cant the sun start rotating around the earth?

see how absurd it is to make the statement "cant things change"

no, but thats bound by the laws of physics, not because the sun *always rotated around the earth*

basing an argument on absolutes is simply dogma

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