etc

No

oh, yeah that's not idol worship. Saints are in Orthodoxy too

They don't forgive sins

you're not praying to the saint

They intercede on your behalf to God

you're praying for them to intercede with God on your behalf

ah ok I see. I can understand that

because they are people who lived holy lives and we know they are in heaven

And ask God to forgive you or help you or whatever you wish

so bear with me then

sure

doenst the bible clearly state that Jesus is the only figure you can intercede on our behalf?

which scripture are you referring to?

Jesus is our advocate with the Father...lemme google for a min

in the OT priests handled that role of intercession between humans and the almighty

when Jesus returned that process of priests and sacrifice was abolished.

recall the rendering of the curtain the temple when Jesus died.

He says "No man comes to the father except thru me"

Hebrews 7:25: “Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them,”

Romans 8:34: “Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.”

@Fevs y'all need a biblebot in here tbh

seriously ^

Bots in here is probably not a good idea unless its one that we code ourselves or can verify that it is secure

@Fevs hurry up and program a bot, nerd

how close is the tradition and dogma of orthodox compard to roman chatholic

I have not been active in the christian religions for some time after leaving the jehovahs wittnesses

@Der Jäger I think the "No one can come to the father" is more a saying of "no one can get to heaven except through me"

most common belife on that I think is jesus is the only way to get to god or be in right standing with him right?

Anyway, I found nothing that says that Jesus is the only one. What Cato said is correct and none can get to heaven except through Jesus, but that's not really what is going on. We're not praying for them to let us into heaven. We're asking the Saints to pray for us and on our behalf

So no, Jesus isn't the only one who can pray to God

which is effectively what was asked

^true according to the dogma I grew up with in catholic church

so when the bible says he is at the right hand of God interceding with us...to me that means he has our back so God doesn't destroy us in His rightous anger lol

so we pray to Jesus for forgiveness of sin

for guidance etc

are there any verses in the bible that discusses saints being able to perform that same function

from biblical understang of scripture I have read I dont belive saints are technicly a thing

no, because they cannot

though much of the bible suffers in translation and from what I can tell otthodoxy has the dogma and tradidtions handed down that predate text

here's what the textbook says

John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.