Message from @Vice Commander Hunt
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because they are people who lived holy lives and we know they are in heaven
And ask God to forgive you or help you or whatever you wish
so bear with me then
sure
doenst the bible clearly state that Jesus is the only figure you can intercede on our behalf?
which scripture are you referring to?
Jesus is our advocate with the Father...lemme google for a min
in the OT priests handled that role of intercession between humans and the almighty
when Jesus returned that process of priests and sacrifice was abolished.
recall the rendering of the curtain the temple when Jesus died.
He says "No man comes to the father except thru me"
Hebrews 7:25: “Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them,”
Romans 8:34: “Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.”
@Fevs y'all need a biblebot in here tbh
seriously ^
Bots in here is probably not a good idea unless its one that we code ourselves or can verify that it is secure
@Fevs hurry up and program a bot, nerd
how close is the tradition and dogma of orthodox compard to roman chatholic
I have not been active in the christian religions for some time after leaving the jehovahs wittnesses
@Der Jäger I think the "No one can come to the father" is more a saying of "no one can get to heaven except through me"
most common belife on that I think is jesus is the only way to get to god or be in right standing with him right?
Anyway, I found nothing that says that Jesus is the only one. What Cato said is correct and none can get to heaven except through Jesus, but that's not really what is going on. We're not praying for them to let us into heaven. We're asking the Saints to pray for us and on our behalf
So no, Jesus isn't the only one who can pray to God
which is effectively what was asked
^true according to the dogma I grew up with in catholic church
so when the bible says he is at the right hand of God interceding with us...to me that means he has our back so God doesn't destroy us in His rightous anger lol
so we pray to Jesus for forgiveness of sin
for guidance etc
are there any verses in the bible that discusses saints being able to perform that same function
from biblical understang of scripture I have read I dont belive saints are technicly a thing
no, because they cannot
though much of the bible suffers in translation and from what I can tell otthodoxy has the dogma and tradidtions handed down that predate text
here's what the textbook says
John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.
__**Others Besides God Who Are Depicted in the Holy Icons**__
Besides God we depict in the holy icons **the Mother of God, the holy angels and holy people.**
We should pray to them not as to God, but as being close to God, as having pleased Him by their holy life. Out of love for us they pray for us before God, and we should ask for their help and intercession because the Lord for their sake will more speedily hear our sinful prayers.
They are the "great cloud of witnesses" that are mentioned as attesting to our faith.
I think the admiration of saints and the practice comes from the merger of ancestor worship that the pagan belifes had I could be wrong
@QuackDoktor are you quoting revilation out of curiousity
So, the long and short of it is that the saints are watching over us, and that we're asking them to pray to God on our behalf that he might hear our prayers. They are not divine, they are not being prayed to as we pray to God. They are simply people who lived holy lives and are praying all of us
@Vice Commander Hunt nigga whatchu want
__**Chapter 13**__
*Icons*
In the church on the iconostasis, along the walls, and at home in the corners are the **holy icons**, before which we say our prayers.
An **icon** or **image** is what we call the representation of God Himself, the Mother of God, the angels, or the saints. This representation is consecrated with Holy Water and prayer. Through this blessing the Grace of the Holy Spirit is imparted to the icon, and we reverence the icon as being holy. There are icons, through which the Grace of God that abides in them is revealed even by miracles, for instance in the healing of the sick.
hmm I wonder If it would be a good idea to add 2 religion channels for chat on pagan and christian topics