Well if you’re not going to answer my question... thats fine... but please explain to me how capitalism is seen as stealing when then the basis of its working is when 2 **consenting** individuals agree on a trade of goods/services/labor.

how does the businessman make his profit?

the worker makes a value
the owner takes this value and gives back a portion as wages
the surplus that is taken is profit

blatant theft

hmm
taking a portion of someone's wealth for arbitrary reasons
what can we think of that's like that?

A businessman/woman makes a profit by selling goods and services that people want or need. Phones, hair cuts, car washes, massages. They then hire people to help them sell these things or make them. They come to an agreement. Person X hires person Y and pays them Z amount per hour or by wage. It is a consenting agreement. There is nobody forcing person person Y to work for person X or they will be executed.

Th value is not made by the owner. Value is created by the free market. If a business owner sells a banana for $100 because he thinks they are valued that much, how many bananas do you think he will sell? None. Because society does not value a banana to be worth $100. The reason Apple can sell iPhones for hundreds of dollars, is because the free markets agree that iPhones have that much value. Steve Jobs didn’t sit at his desk and say that in iPhone will cost $600 because he said so.

The profit made by the business is then owned by the business. They use that money for paying staff, buying new inventory, making products, maintaining facilities, donating to other organizations that promote their ideals, and saving some for rainy days down the line.

If the workers want more money, they can organize strikes and demand higher pay like they did in the US before. Thats is why we have trade and labor unions. There are things they can do to have higher pay that doesnt include reverting to communism. But even then, there is a limit to this. A person flipping burgers at a McDonald’s is not doing the labor that the majority of society sees as necessary for $15 per hour.

There is not a single person dictating to everyone how things are, who gets money, or how much things cost. It is determined by the free market and general public.

Now... i explained why Capitalism is not considered stealing from people. Can you please answer my question.

**Why are you in favor of stealing from people? Communism preaches taking the wealth of wealthy people and giving it to people who didn’t deserve it. For the sake of equality and fairness. That is called stealing. You will have to rob and kill to get that from people and I wanna know... why do you support that?**

Capitalism is not voluntary

Are you forced to work for someone?

Does someone point a gun at you and say “work”?

If you would be in poverty without being a wage-slave, then yes, it is involuntary

Which is the situation most people would be in under capitalism

@killsometime someone points a gun at you and says "pay the rent or get out"

@Firefly That dosen't happen though.

That is because you signed a contract **voluntarily** saying you will pay X amount per month to live there

@killsometime No, it happens without contract

Give me one person in history that allows someone to rent anywhere without a contract

Just one

Literally one

@killsometime To be fair, sometimes it is more obligitory, than it is voluntary.

@maostravelagent who are the “most people” living in poverty under capitalism in America?

@killsometime 300 million people lived in USSR rent free

@koifish Niggers.

@Firefly And the others?

Right, and we all saw the world class living standards they had in the Soviet Union...

Under communism....

@killsometime Got to love living in a glorified closet.

@Firefly you’re right. What I’d give to live rent free in the Soviet Union...

@killsometime Most people had more space per capita than in Japan, Holland or most capitalist countries

With free heating, almost free gas

almost free electricity

@Firefly But those things are usually paid for you if you are renting.

^^^^

You still agree to live and work in the Soviet Union. Not cause trouble and follow the law. You are technically still living with a contract

Just a different one

And you agree to not question the human rights violations done by the government

If you break your contract... you get shipped to Siberia

You are not forced out of the apartment if you don't pay

@killsometime If you do not agree voluntarily, then you will be put into a hole in the ground.

@Firefly Bullshit.