Man im tired.

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What tf u niggas talkn bout innere

https://wikileaks.org/cia-france-elections-2012/

CIA interfered in the french elections

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vmvSkDp-kk

why is the pol discord such a safe space

Like say what u want about us commies but at least we tolerate other opinions

why do you even need to ask that question

Just interested in having discussion

whats your politics?

I'm a trotskyist

Iv never read trotsky - although i know he was a very talented commander during the civil war

What do you think would of happened had he taken power instead of Stalin

the USSR definitely wouldn't have industrialized as quickly as it did, but it would've been larger and lasted longer

If he didn't do the same things Stalin did to industrialize, the Soviets would have been wiped out by the Nazis

even the purges?

although you could argue that without the purged leadership and with trotsky's military expertise, they would still win WW2

Most of the deaths from the purges were committed by Yezhov, who was conspiring with fascists to kill the leadership and cause so much hatred amongst the people that they would revolt

Is that so

I remember reading that a lot of advanced theory about mechanized war was lost because of the purges

As for the Moscow trials, Tukhachevsky was in league with fascists. as was the bloc of Troskyites that Trotsky was in communication with through his son, Leon Sedov, even though Trotsky denied it for his whole life.

Interesting

Had those generals not been purged, the war would have been lost. They would have constituted a fascist fifth column like in so many other nations that fell to fascism.

but tukhachevsky was interrogated by yezhov

I mean it is hard to argue with the fact that Stalin so comprehensively destroyed the nazis

yeah I'll give stalin credit there

And listened to zhukov

Archives released from Germany and Japan strongly point to his guilt.

I think the more interesting question is what exactly were those leaders who got purged and executed thinking by collaborating with fascists

Well for that

You'd probably want to read about the psychology of fascism

I reject that they were fascists

were they genuinely fascist or just anti-stalinist?

I think it was the latter

I can't see how it could be the former

so without stalin in power they most likely wouldn't have betrayed the USSR