Message from @Mr. X

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2018-08-23 12:16:12 UTC  

No many want them to just be happy

2018-08-23 12:16:15 UTC  

it's egoistic

2018-08-23 12:16:20 UTC  

but we call it altruism

2018-08-23 12:16:22 UTC  

Again I disagree

2018-08-23 12:16:52 UTC  

no one wants others to just be happy if they dont benefit

2018-08-23 12:17:05 UTC  

I want other people to be happy around me so I can be happy as well

2018-08-23 12:17:18 UTC  

I recognise I am happy when others are happy

2018-08-23 12:17:19 UTC  

That's wrong, I've seen many do it.

2018-08-23 12:17:34 UTC  

you have

2018-08-23 12:17:46 UTC  

Including myself

2018-08-23 12:17:46 UTC  

but you dont know they are being secretly egoists not knowing it

2018-08-23 12:18:07 UTC  

I've wanted people to be happy before and I knew I wouldnt benefit from it nor did I want to.

2018-08-23 12:18:20 UTC  

you don't know it consciously

2018-08-23 12:18:27 UTC  

it's subconscious

2018-08-23 12:18:38 UTC  

thats what stirner called involountary egoists

2018-08-23 12:18:55 UTC  

and volountary egoists are ones that ecognise their egoism

2018-08-23 12:19:05 UTC  

you dont recognise it and think it's altruism

2018-08-23 12:19:07 UTC  

why would it be subconscious even after hours of deep thinking?

2018-08-23 12:19:11 UTC  

but really deep down it's all egoism

2018-08-23 12:19:23 UTC  

maybe you are not used to it

2018-08-23 12:19:39 UTC  

its party egoism but there is also altruism

2018-08-23 12:19:53 UTC  

you can call it altruism

2018-08-23 12:19:56 UTC  

but it's not

2018-08-23 12:20:01 UTC  

we assume it

2018-08-23 12:20:02 UTC  

no its partly both

2018-08-23 12:20:17 UTC  

I think i know what you mean

2018-08-23 12:20:28 UTC  

a lot of people dont experience egoism is a lot of actions like killing themselves

2018-08-23 12:20:35 UTC  

giving flowers to people because it makes you happy is purely egoistic tho

2018-08-23 12:20:45 UTC  

but it appears altruisitc because you ar ehelping others

2018-08-23 12:20:49 UTC  

so we say it's altruism

2018-08-23 12:21:02 UTC  

because they are not aware of it

2018-08-23 12:21:07 UTC  

Yes but what if it doesnt make you happy and if you dont want to be happy but do it anyway?

2018-08-23 12:21:11 UTC  

we are egoists deep down

2018-08-23 12:21:24 UTC  

well you wont do it

2018-08-23 12:21:36 UTC  

Thats wrong, many people do it including me

2018-08-23 12:21:39 UTC  

one reason you might because you think it will make you a good person

2018-08-23 12:21:48 UTC  

you are doing a "good cause"

2018-08-23 12:21:54 UTC  

which is just like morality

2018-08-23 12:21:58 UTC  

abstract and doesnt exist

2018-08-23 12:22:03 UTC  

you are lying to yourself

2018-08-23 12:22:37 UTC  

Again that doesnt explain people dying for others