you dont recognise it and think it's altruism

why would it be subconscious even after hours of deep thinking?

but really deep down it's all egoism

maybe you are not used to it

its party egoism but there is also altruism

you can call it altruism

but it's not

we assume it

no its partly both

I think i know what you mean

a lot of people dont experience egoism is a lot of actions like killing themselves

giving flowers to people because it makes you happy is purely egoistic tho

but it appears altruisitc because you ar ehelping others

so we say it's altruism

because they are not aware of it

Yes but what if it doesnt make you happy and if you dont want to be happy but do it anyway?

we are egoists deep down

well you wont do it

Thats wrong, many people do it including me

one reason you might because you think it will make you a good person

you are doing a "good cause"

which is just like morality

abstract and doesnt exist

you are lying to yourself

Again that doesnt explain people dying for others

especially atheists

atheists follow good causes all the time

look at college students

shouting about racism

yes but not when they want to die for their loved ones

and hate speech

dying for loved ones is because you love them

having them die

but you living would be too hard for you

so you prefer to just die

No thats not why they die

they're able to live without them but dont want them dying

what then

because they view their loved ones higher than them

of value

yes