Message from @Caeser

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2019-12-21 23:52:45 UTC  

Exactly lizar, but I wanted the religious people to come to it

2019-12-21 23:52:51 UTC  

God didn't give freewill to only obey him originally

2019-12-21 23:53:01 UTC  

and usual atheist ignores the answer

2019-12-21 23:53:03 UTC  

When he gave freewill he gave it on a perfect world where sinning was impossible

2019-12-21 23:53:07 UTC  

until man messed it up

2019-12-21 23:53:12 UTC  

They cant square god with free will because the two are incompatible <:shrug:349342983763656705>

2019-12-21 23:53:12 UTC  

perhaps it did not understand what privation means

2019-12-21 23:53:13 UTC  

and God had to take drastic measures

2019-12-21 23:53:14 UTC  

you mean eden?

2019-12-21 23:53:17 UTC  

yes

2019-12-21 23:53:22 UTC  

um

2019-12-21 23:53:24 UTC  

oh boi

2019-12-21 23:53:30 UTC  

Eden was the ideal place for people to exsist in a moral sense

2019-12-21 23:53:33 UTC  

The story of Eden doesn't make sense either though

2019-12-21 23:53:33 UTC  

first, eden was on earth

2019-12-21 23:53:35 UTC  

God cannot be omnibenevolent if he has created all evil and done evil acts for the fuck of it

2019-12-21 23:53:39 UTC  

it was its own area

2019-12-21 23:53:40 UTC  

^

2019-12-21 23:53:44 UTC  

God is omnibenevolent in his grace

2019-12-21 23:53:45 UTC  

Exactly Tubby

2019-12-21 23:53:45 UTC  

God did not create evil

2019-12-21 23:53:50 UTC  

He created good things

2019-12-21 23:53:52 UTC  

and gave them a choice

2019-12-21 23:53:53 UTC  

false

2019-12-21 23:53:56 UTC  

it is on them if they choose wrong

2019-12-21 23:54:04 UTC  

Even satan was once an angel

2019-12-21 23:54:05 UTC  

god created evil as part of the balance

2019-12-21 23:54:09 UTC  

no

2019-12-21 23:54:10 UTC  

The onus is not on me to prove that god does not exist, the onus is on you to prove that he does and justify if he is all powerful why he allows evil in the world <:shrug:349342983763656705>

2019-12-21 23:54:15 UTC  

look at the days of creation

2019-12-21 23:54:18 UTC  

No the bible teaches that god did not create evil divinity

2019-12-21 23:54:30 UTC  

everything had a balance of 2 things

2019-12-21 23:54:31 UTC  

i've already said about evil
1) original sin
2) evil is the privation of good

2019-12-21 23:54:42 UTC  

then you have ontological teleological and cosmological arguments

2019-12-21 23:54:43 UTC  

Well that is a bit of a stalemate storin since both things are impossible to prove at least by one man alone

2019-12-21 23:54:45 UTC  

but you don't pay attention

2019-12-21 23:54:50 UTC  

because atheism is a cult

2019-12-21 23:54:52 UTC  

of retards

2019-12-21 23:54:53 UTC  

The natural state is god does not exist, and you must show that he does but also not only his inability to deal with evil but also explain the hundreds of other gods and pantheons there of

2019-12-21 23:54:55 UTC  

No

2019-12-21 23:54:57 UTC  

fake news