Message from @Spydig

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2019-06-20 17:30:02 UTC  

I thought the Catholic church was created around 300 A.D. ? Maybe im confusing the dates

2019-06-20 17:30:16 UTC  

You’re about to talk about papal infallibility aren’t you

2019-06-20 17:30:21 UTC  

I had this argument last night

2019-06-20 17:30:54 UTC  

No

2019-06-20 17:30:55 UTC  

@GHOST the 300 AD thing was when Charlemagne legalized Christianity and when Nicaea I occurred

2019-06-20 17:31:05 UTC  

The church existed beforehand

2019-06-20 17:31:07 UTC  

I am asking if the Pope actually has the same powers as Peter did

2019-06-20 17:31:23 UTC  

Ahh okay

2019-06-20 17:31:30 UTC  

The powers that made an Apostle unique among Christians

2019-06-20 17:31:50 UTC  

As Peter’s successor, I would say yes, but I’m probably missing some nuance as I’m not particularly educated in these matters

2019-06-20 17:32:23 UTC  

He inherits his position as the earthly head of the Church, that's all.

2019-06-20 17:32:45 UTC  

So if they do inherit the powers the Apostles had, the Pope being the rightful inheritor of Peter's authority and power ought to be able to raise the dead on command, right?

2019-06-20 17:32:53 UTC  

@Spydig There is no such thing as a middle man between man and Christ

2019-06-20 17:32:54 UTC  

wot

2019-06-20 17:33:24 UTC  

@Deleted User Jesus is obviously the head of the Church, King of the Universe, but the Pope is like the Prime Minister and manages the Church on earth.

2019-06-20 17:33:40 UTC  

Alright so if the only point of succession is the position in the church what makes the Catholic clergy, in this case the Pope, any different than another saved Christian regarding the interpretation of scripture.

2019-06-20 17:34:05 UTC  

yes

2019-06-20 17:34:06 UTC  

Are we not all saved by the same Jesus and indwelled by the same Holy Spirit?

2019-06-20 17:34:13 UTC  

It is a sin to call Priests father

2019-06-20 17:34:27 UTC  

Wrong sweetie but continue

2019-06-20 17:34:29 UTC  

It is also a sin to call your father your father by that logic

2019-06-20 17:34:29 UTC  

@Spydig Thats middle man, which dosent exist

2019-06-20 17:34:40 UTC  

@Spydig I dont call my father father

2019-06-20 17:34:44 UTC  

You’re both Baptists?

2019-06-20 17:34:48 UTC  

I am yes

2019-06-20 17:34:58 UTC  

I am not trying to make the father meme

2019-06-20 17:35:06 UTC  

I have a genuine question

2019-06-20 17:36:17 UTC  

All people who are saved are saved by God’s grace alone. That grace is given to us upon our baptism. We can lose/reject that grace by committing mortal sin, and regain it in the sacrament of penance

2019-06-20 17:36:31 UTC  

What's your question?

2019-06-20 17:37:18 UTC  

If you are baptized and stray from God's path

2019-06-20 17:37:21 UTC  

My question is how much of the Apostle's power (specifically the Pope) do their successors inherit

2019-06-20 17:37:27 UTC  

You will still be thrown in the lake of fire

2019-06-20 17:38:02 UTC  

And if that power is not the full Apostolic power why the Pope is then to be considered special among other saved people

2019-06-20 17:38:09 UTC  

Well, they inherit their teaching authority and authority to bind and loose things.

2019-06-20 17:38:31 UTC  

1 Corinthians 14:19

2019-06-20 17:38:32 UTC  

**1 Corinthians 14:19 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

```Dust


<19> But in church worship I would rather speak five words that can be understood, in order to teach others, than speak thousands of words in strange tongues. ```

2019-06-20 17:38:34 UTC  

Obviously the apostles are unique in that they actually experienced Jesus in person in this life.

2019-06-20 17:38:36 UTC  

Does this not contradict latin mass?

2019-06-20 17:38:40 UTC  

What?

2019-06-20 17:38:52 UTC  

Right so it is the Pope alone who has unique powers?

2019-06-20 17:38:53 UTC  

The mass was only in Latin because it was universal that way.