Message from @Oboe
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But I have a second question for you with that
Where does it say that *only* scripture is authoritative
It doesn't
The early church was the Catholic Church @Deleted User
But if at any point the traditions of men contradict the word of God we must take the words of God above the vain traditions of men
It was a mix of the Orthodox and the Catholics
Then it had a schism
Got any sources? 🤔
@oboe i agree
Because it is shown that the early Church thought the Bishop of Rome was supreme.
And both believed in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist
@Phil With Frankincense Do you believe that the successors of the apostles inherit the same exact power and authority that their predecessors had?
But I digress
Is that not what apostolic succession is?
So yes?
The Pope can do whatever Peter could?
I thought the Catholic church was created around 300 A.D. ? Maybe im confusing the dates
You’re about to talk about papal infallibility aren’t you
I had this argument last night
@GHOST the 300 AD thing was when Charlemagne legalized Christianity and when Nicaea I occurred
The church existed beforehand
I am asking if the Pope actually has the same powers as Peter did
Ahh okay
The powers that made an Apostle unique among Christians
As Peter’s successor, I would say yes, but I’m probably missing some nuance as I’m not particularly educated in these matters
He inherits his position as the earthly head of the Church, that's all.
So if they do inherit the powers the Apostles had, the Pope being the rightful inheritor of Peter's authority and power ought to be able to raise the dead on command, right?
@Spydig There is no such thing as a middle man between man and Christ
wot
@Deleted User Jesus is obviously the head of the Church, King of the Universe, but the Pope is like the Prime Minister and manages the Church on earth.
Alright so if the only point of succession is the position in the church what makes the Catholic clergy, in this case the Pope, any different than another saved Christian regarding the interpretation of scripture.
yes
Are we not all saved by the same Jesus and indwelled by the same Holy Spirit?
It is a sin to call Priests father
Wrong sweetie but continue
It is also a sin to call your father your father by that logic
@Spydig Thats middle man, which dosent exist
@Spydig I dont call my father father
You’re both Baptists?