Message from @Oboe
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I am asking if the Pope actually has the same powers as Peter did
Ahh okay
The powers that made an Apostle unique among Christians
As Peter’s successor, I would say yes, but I’m probably missing some nuance as I’m not particularly educated in these matters
He inherits his position as the earthly head of the Church, that's all.
So if they do inherit the powers the Apostles had, the Pope being the rightful inheritor of Peter's authority and power ought to be able to raise the dead on command, right?
@Spydig There is no such thing as a middle man between man and Christ
wot
@Deleted User Jesus is obviously the head of the Church, King of the Universe, but the Pope is like the Prime Minister and manages the Church on earth.
Alright so if the only point of succession is the position in the church what makes the Catholic clergy, in this case the Pope, any different than another saved Christian regarding the interpretation of scripture.
yes
Are we not all saved by the same Jesus and indwelled by the same Holy Spirit?
It is a sin to call Priests father
Wrong sweetie but continue
It is also a sin to call your father your father by that logic
@Spydig Thats middle man, which dosent exist
@Spydig I dont call my father father
You’re both Baptists?
I am yes
I am not trying to make the father meme
All people who are saved are saved by God’s grace alone. That grace is given to us upon our baptism. We can lose/reject that grace by committing mortal sin, and regain it in the sacrament of penance
What's your question?
If you are baptized and stray from God's path
My question is how much of the Apostle's power (specifically the Pope) do their successors inherit
You will still be thrown in the lake of fire
And if that power is not the full Apostolic power why the Pope is then to be considered special among other saved people
Well, they inherit their teaching authority and authority to bind and loose things.
1 Corinthians 14:19
**1 Corinthians 14:19 - Good News Translation (GNT)**
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<19> But in church worship I would rather speak five words that can be understood, in order to teach others, than speak thousands of words in strange tongues. ```
Obviously the apostles are unique in that they actually experienced Jesus in person in this life.
Does this not contradict latin mass?
What?
Right so it is the Pope alone who has unique powers?
The mass was only in Latin because it was universal that way.
Yea and vast majority do not understand
The common person could understand enough Latin up till the 1800s or so
It says it is better to say less but so that people understand
Rather than say much but people do not understand
And that’s why masses are said in vernacular now
And people still understand the mass even if it’s not in the language they speak