Message from @Veraic

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2019-12-11 22:12:49 UTC  

Your problem comes when you realize God's desire isn't about something he lacks, but what we lack.

2019-12-11 22:17:31 UTC  

thats a good way of putting it

2019-12-11 22:18:30 UTC  

its like gods desire is not a thing he wants per say its a thing that he has already implemented through the test of free will

2019-12-12 03:50:53 UTC  

Yeah none of this actually addresses the objection

2019-12-12 03:51:02 UTC  

You don’t get to just equivocate on desire.

2019-12-12 03:52:03 UTC  

I've already addressed it, you assume desire is always selfish

2019-12-12 03:53:36 UTC  

actually we do @Blueroad

2019-12-12 04:41:44 UTC  

Idk why you think desires being selfish has anything to do with this

2019-12-12 04:42:09 UTC  

What it means to have a desire is to have a standard in mind that you strive to be in accord with

2019-12-12 04:44:42 UTC  

selfish is when you put yourself above your people

2019-12-12 04:44:44 UTC  

aka pride

2019-12-12 04:48:38 UTC  

what does selishness even have to do with this

2019-12-12 04:48:59 UTC  

again, points flying right over your heads

2019-12-12 04:49:03 UTC  

If you have potential to be in or out of accord with a standard you 1) are not purely actual and 2) are imperfect

2019-12-12 04:58:39 UTC  

So either god doesn’t have desires(which brings another host of problems) or god does and the Christian view is incoherent

2019-12-12 05:00:33 UTC  

The supreme is all around us, its immaterial but it does have human avatars

2019-12-12 05:00:41 UTC  

every couple thousand years

2019-12-12 05:03:53 UTC  

@Veraic thats so irrelevant

2019-12-12 05:04:25 UTC  

What is the topic?

2019-12-12 05:04:42 UTC  

its not, the supreme does not have desires as a human does, the Lord is above those things

2019-12-12 05:05:17 UTC  

A human avatar does not have the same desires as a normal person as well, because of their holyness and oneness with the Lord

2019-12-12 05:05:29 UTC  

So how does a supreme have desires

2019-12-12 05:05:56 UTC  

Of course a supreme being has desires, though they are disimilar to humans. What is the issue?

2019-12-12 05:05:56 UTC  

the Body is what causes desires, the soul does not

2019-12-12 05:06:40 UTC  

So how does a supreme have desires

2019-12-12 05:07:06 UTC  

@Blueroad What is the issue with a God harbouring desires?

2019-12-12 05:07:20 UTC  

I’ve explained it earlier on just scroll up

2019-12-12 05:07:33 UTC  

And this only applies to an abrahamic god or anything similar to it

2019-12-12 05:07:42 UTC  

Where?

2019-12-12 05:07:49 UTC  

I just told you where

2019-12-12 05:07:53 UTC  

Scroll up

2019-12-12 05:08:18 UTC  

ah just so anyone wondering, i am not talking about an Abrahamic view on God

2019-12-12 05:08:21 UTC  

"Up" is not the clearest statement.

2019-12-12 05:08:39 UTC  

lol that was clear

2019-12-12 05:09:02 UTC  

Make the screen you are currently viewing pan up by either swiping your finger or by scrolling with a mouse

2019-12-12 05:09:06 UTC  

Sorry for being unclear

2019-12-12 05:09:18 UTC  

Oml.

2019-12-12 05:09:25 UTC  

It's all g.

2019-12-12 05:09:26 UTC  

@Veraic in what sense does god have desires on your view

2019-12-12 05:09:39 UTC  

If not in the sense that humans have them

2019-12-12 05:10:05 UTC  

What is in common for human desires and supreme desires that leads you to calling both of them desires