Message from @Veraic

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2019-12-11 06:27:22 UTC  

So I don't see how desire and pure act are exclusive

2019-12-11 12:40:03 UTC  

Because what is entailed by having a desire is to be potentially or actually out of accord with the object of that desire(a standard). So either god has potential(desires which it may or may not be out of accord with), which obviously rules out pure act, or god is actually out of accord with its desires, which makes god imperfect, and still not fully actual(which Christians reject)

2019-12-11 12:41:06 UTC  

As for that church (non)response to interpretation, it just begs the same question of interpretation except directed at the church.

2019-12-11 12:42:23 UTC  
2019-12-11 20:15:03 UTC  

not really imo
thats a bit like saying that god not being able to sin prevents him from being purely actual

2019-12-11 22:12:49 UTC  

Your problem comes when you realize God's desire isn't about something he lacks, but what we lack.

2019-12-11 22:17:31 UTC  

thats a good way of putting it

2019-12-11 22:18:30 UTC  

its like gods desire is not a thing he wants per say its a thing that he has already implemented through the test of free will

2019-12-12 03:50:53 UTC  

Yeah none of this actually addresses the objection

2019-12-12 03:51:02 UTC  

You don’t get to just equivocate on desire.

2019-12-12 03:52:03 UTC  

I've already addressed it, you assume desire is always selfish

2019-12-12 03:53:36 UTC  

actually we do @Blueroad

2019-12-12 04:41:44 UTC  

Idk why you think desires being selfish has anything to do with this

2019-12-12 04:42:09 UTC  

What it means to have a desire is to have a standard in mind that you strive to be in accord with

2019-12-12 04:44:42 UTC  

selfish is when you put yourself above your people

2019-12-12 04:44:44 UTC  

aka pride

2019-12-12 04:48:38 UTC  

what does selishness even have to do with this

2019-12-12 04:48:59 UTC  

again, points flying right over your heads

2019-12-12 04:49:03 UTC  

If you have potential to be in or out of accord with a standard you 1) are not purely actual and 2) are imperfect

2019-12-12 04:58:39 UTC  

So either god doesn’t have desires(which brings another host of problems) or god does and the Christian view is incoherent

2019-12-12 05:00:33 UTC  

The supreme is all around us, its immaterial but it does have human avatars

2019-12-12 05:00:41 UTC  

every couple thousand years

2019-12-12 05:03:53 UTC  

@Veraic thats so irrelevant

2019-12-12 05:04:25 UTC  

What is the topic?

2019-12-12 05:04:42 UTC  

its not, the supreme does not have desires as a human does, the Lord is above those things

2019-12-12 05:05:17 UTC  

A human avatar does not have the same desires as a normal person as well, because of their holyness and oneness with the Lord

2019-12-12 05:05:29 UTC  

So how does a supreme have desires

2019-12-12 05:05:56 UTC  

Of course a supreme being has desires, though they are disimilar to humans. What is the issue?

2019-12-12 05:05:56 UTC  

the Body is what causes desires, the soul does not

2019-12-12 05:06:40 UTC  

So how does a supreme have desires

2019-12-12 05:07:06 UTC  

@Blueroad What is the issue with a God harbouring desires?

2019-12-12 05:07:20 UTC  

I’ve explained it earlier on just scroll up

2019-12-12 05:07:33 UTC  

And this only applies to an abrahamic god or anything similar to it

2019-12-12 05:07:42 UTC  

Where?

2019-12-12 05:07:49 UTC  

I just told you where

2019-12-12 05:07:53 UTC  

Scroll up

2019-12-12 05:08:18 UTC  

ah just so anyone wondering, i am not talking about an Abrahamic view on God

2019-12-12 05:08:21 UTC  

"Up" is not the clearest statement.

2019-12-12 05:08:39 UTC  

lol that was clear

2019-12-12 05:09:02 UTC  

Make the screen you are currently viewing pan up by either swiping your finger or by scrolling with a mouse

2019-12-12 05:09:06 UTC  

Sorry for being unclear