healthcare is a public service

or should be

I am not even certain how do both private and public healthcare work. Even if we set aside the moral arguments for or against public healthcare, there is also the question of efficiency, innovation, and cost in the long term. @ChillyWilly

there are many effective, and ineffective version of public healthcare

An example in favor of a privatized system is in the sector of laser eye surgery. A few decades ago, it was incredibly expensive. The price for laser eye surgery has decreased by magnitudes. What used to be at least $20k when under the government's thumb has dropped to less than 25% of that after years of innovation and privatization.

just socializing it willy nilly won't make people suddenly healthier

For example, should we sacrifice efficiency for the sake of lowering the cost and increasing access to the public?

it should follow a system that is like on Germany.

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@Louis XIV (aka 1685Violin) No

Germany's socialized healthcare is a good model

its probably the best example

@ChillyWilly An example against private is drugs

I dislike the British NHS but Iike the one used in Germany or Switzerland, minus the mandatory savings account and higher taxes.

Epi Pen for example, but most drugs as well

I’d rather have decent healthcare for everybody than the best healthcare known to man for like 2% of people

Should drugs be private or public?

But then there is the decreased innovation.

kraut and tea made a vidio on this topic

i know hes retarded

but its a pretty good video nonetheless

I kept hearing horrible stories about long lines in Canada and the UK.

@bolivarian_robert this

Exactly right @bolivarian_robert

@Louis XIV (aka 1685Violin) They are myths

My brother has been to the doctors in the UK, there was no wait time

the only downside to Canada's healthcare system is the downsides really

At all

it's a topic politicians avoid talking about

(wait what the fuck did I just say)

the wait-times

The downsides are the downsides

am I wrong though?

Well said

I meant the downside is the wait times

which can be up to months

Switzerland is a Universal Private Health Insurance nation. Japan is a Universal Public Insurance nation. Finland is a Universal Government funded nation. Germany is a Universal Public-Private Insurance nation. And the US. is a Non-Universal Insurance nation.

- just as a comparison

France is a decent example of federalized healthcare

although they spend a large portion of their budget on healthcare each year

@GreyWolf Doesn't the US technically have public healthcare as well, in the form of Medicaid?