Message from @Deleted User
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Fuck paradox
They banning deus vult now
we barely know anything about it yet chill
Based
oh boy
so we have: continuum fallacy, thinking that the arbitrariness of languages somehow invalidates distinction and valuation, ''the numbers of colours is arbitrary, purple doesnt exist!''
imagine if a white person said the first thing for white people is to protect white people like your brother....and we should!!goyim gets shot without warning just for looking at a synagogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs9VgQY4TDU&feature=youtu.be
rabbi's insane response as to why this is justified to shoot goyim on sight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVjEH0zM9AM
source:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2019-02-15/security-guard-arrested-in-shooting-outside-la-synagogue
“Let me point out a fallacy and then ignore how it’s still arbitrary to draw lines based on language when people mix in border regions and have language continums.”
are you ok? @AlexTheLad217
i didnt say that it wasnt arbitrary, i said that the arbitrariness has no bearing on it
and youve just made the same logically fallacious statement again
@AlexTheLad217 wow good job you just literally ignored everything i said
"just because its not objective its arbitrary"
Everything stems from a subjective axiomatic preference. Nationalism stems from a subjective axiomatic preference, to someoen who rejects the validity of the essence of that subjective axiomatic preference, it SEEMS arbitrary
My language example is PERFECTLY descriptory to what I just said
If me and you were to agree that what constitutes superiority in culture lets say, is family values lets say, we can objectively deduce that one culture is superior to others
You can say the same thing about nationalism, since if we were to say that intelligence, constitutes superiority, we can say that one ethnic group is superior to others etc (just an example)
"Nationalism is primarily used to say we are one people and not them, literally a divider" No, just because we acknowledge the fact that our kind is seperate and different from their kind, does not mean that i am making a statement that OUR KIND is superior to their kind, that is entirely different, you are confusing seperate concepts here bucko
"Still ignores that hyper-nationalistic states often attempt to expand their borders to acquire resources"
Again that is not a hyper nationalistic at all, I already gave you the definition of nationalism, and have already explained to you how that is seperate, nationalism is caring for your own people, it is NOT fucking over other people.
Regardless though, EVERY SINGLE "contention" you have with nationalism is applicable to every other ideology lol
every ideology stems from a subjective axiom, so its funny seeing you cherry pick where you disregard which ideology
@Deleted User I recognized that I make the continuum fallacy but my point isn't that you can't make distinctions between two groups it's that there's no clean and agreeable method to make a divide between them like modern borders of nation states. A lack of method that has often made nationalists to resort to violence and oppression in history to make a clean border while depriving those along the border the right to choose to have elements of both groups. This doesn't just apply to just languages either.
vagueness does not = invalidity
that argument about violence also boomerangs back at you horribly because internationalists are responsible for equally if not more deaths than nationalists
I know but it doesn't invalidate that the modern nation state doesn't fit perfectly with reality and so in my opinion it shouldn't be an ideal to strive for
it should be reformed as an idea to fit reality instead of trying to alter it
i agree to an extent
we should have true nations that are racial
pointing out that internationalists cause deaths doen't justify nationalist killing either
my concept of a nation is that it is both blood and soil
i wasnt justifying it, i was saying that it isnt really an argument against nationalism
that doesn't work for me because humans are semi-migratory and are quick to move
the soil part falls apart in reality
what's the difference from someone moving from one nation right across the border vs one person moving from one end of the country to the other
it relies on the borders of a nation state which are based on vague groupings of language, culture, ethnicity, etc
not to mention others have lived there before you so unless you're 100% right of conquest I don't see how you can justify barring others claim to the land as well
land is held by force, this is simply reality
in the case of migration, there is a continuum between ethnicities and nationalities however this does not preclude the observation of typological differences between cultures and nations
im not arguing for a deracinated form of the nation state, my conception is that the nation is the people and the nation state is simply a physical manifestation of their will and power, i support racial revanchism
racial revanchism? like repatriating people or some eugenics?
similar to lebensraum @AlexTheLad217
agggh agghh#
fuck women
yeah ikr wommen are so trash for not wanting to be with me
no