@Deleted User I recognized that I make the continuum fallacy but my point isn't that you can't make distinctions between two groups it's that there's no clean and agreeable method to make a divide between them like modern borders of nation states. A lack of method that has often made nationalists to resort to violence and oppression in history to make a clean border while depriving those along the border the right to choose to have elements of both groups. This doesn't just apply to just languages either.

vagueness does not = invalidity

this is still continuum fallacy, just a different form

that argument about violence also boomerangs back at you horribly because internationalists are responsible for equally if not more deaths than nationalists

I know but it doesn't invalidate that the modern nation state doesn't fit perfectly with reality and so in my opinion it shouldn't be an ideal to strive for

it should be reformed as an idea to fit reality instead of trying to alter it

i agree to an extent
we should have true nations that are racial

pointing out that internationalists cause deaths doen't justify nationalist killing either

my concept of a nation is that it is both blood and soil

i wasnt justifying it, i was saying that it isnt really an argument against nationalism

that doesn't work for me because humans are semi-migratory and are quick to move

the soil part falls apart in reality

what's the difference from someone moving from one nation right across the border vs one person moving from one end of the country to the other

it relies on the borders of a nation state which are based on vague groupings of language, culture, ethnicity, etc

not to mention others have lived there before you so unless you're 100% right of conquest I don't see how you can justify barring others claim to the land as well

land is held by force, this is simply reality
in the case of migration, there is a continuum between ethnicities and nationalities however this does not preclude the observation of typological differences between cultures and nations

im not arguing for a deracinated form of the nation state, my conception is that the nation is the people and the nation state is simply a physical manifestation of their will and power, i support racial revanchism

racial revanchism? like repatriating people or some eugenics?

similar to lebensraum @AlexTheLad217

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