Message from @Veraien
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600 billion isn’t funneled into NATO you absolute mong. Literally read the chart you just posted it says only 30 billion is directly spent on europe with the rest of the spending going towards our own military which has assets across the globe. Most european defense in operated by europeans. More or less we provide manpower and weapons systems for europeans to purchase.
And to pick on Norway as an example of spending when they have a population less than Indiana isn’t saying much
Maybe look at Germany or Britain. Germany specifically put funding into recruiting some 20,000 men over the last two years in response to Russia.
germany also trains tank maneuvers with broomsticks and is notoriously underfunded
and does not want to change
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NATO guidelines require at least 2% funding of GDP into defence
USA is 5.28 %
Which is completely arbitrary
europe and canada 1.48
Germany has begun to change as has Europe in the face of russia
out of 919 billion dollars in 2018
605 was USA dollars
313 was europe and canada combined
You can see in the link you just posted that non-american spending has been rising
Because now they have something to spend it for, Russia.
There hasn’t been a need for most european nations to spend so much for the past three decades, unlike the US has as the world peace keeper.
2011 percentage of GDP spent on defense
1.52 in 2011 1.48 in 2018
Germany (Euros) 34,630 36,168 34,593 34,749 35,898 37,598 40,447 41,913
from 2011 to 2018
that is true
Albania (Leks) 19,877 19,820 19,022 18,788 16,671 16,250 17,199 19,492
Hungary (Forint) 295,967 297,650 286,341 281,402 316,338 362,798 402,793 484,031
Hungary has really increased theirs though
Comparing 2011 to 2018 overlooks that spending was still declining until Russia annexed crimea in 2014.
but over all the values have stayed the same
Since 2014 it’s gone up
adding 3-6 billion to the budget
does nothing
thats very little
Because it’s only been four years and the politics take time to change
a billion dollars to a nation is not very much
Depends on which country
Again it’s not that they cannot do it it’s because many in Europe still don’t see a need to spend so much
Also short scale numbers LUL
Europe is perfectly capable of militarization as seen in the cold war
Give it a decade of spending increases with russia acting as a threat and they can rival us spending
We are *capable* of
We aren‘t barbarians though
there will be another british empire