It applies to any percieved effects

Positive or negative

I've purposely reached out to negative forces years ago. Not so much Hollywood ohsospoopy demon but more or less draining of energy, and of those around me

Not so fun, but I was a dumb kid who was curious

As far as the discussion goes above, this is the same argument in the bible, during exodus

the scripture clearly states it was God who hardened the pharaohs heart to the plight of the Jews

so does that mean the pharoh wasn't at fault? Do we not have free will and God or whoever has full control over our actions?

if that's the case then did he make eve bite the Apple and then punish her for doing so?

Big brain questions I'm not equipped to answer tbh, but interesting questions nontheless

Is it even really free will if it can be taken away 🤔

@Diadact is right yo

abt what they said awhile ago lol

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abt speaking a demons name

it just attracts bad mojo

Did you read any of the conversation after he said that? 🤔

🆙 | **Osteos leveled up!**

yea i did

like b4 i posted that

i was gon for awhile but i just wanted to add that in

So do you think "bad mojo" is an external or internal consequence?

My answer in tldr to the convo above is I'm not really sure. If the result is the same did it really matter if it was external or internal? Maybe it does matter, because the implications of it being external are scary, but so is it being completely internal

@Osteos eh prolly external

if uve summoned a demon and been in their prescence u prolly know what i mean

the energy they exude just sorta naturally causes you anxiety

Have you considered that it causes you anxiety because you give meaning to it 🤔

esp coming from the higher level ones

yea i have

but demons r powerful

Have you really 🤔

they can affect ur mental state in a lotta ways

really really

Like, for another example. You held a ritual for some diety or god or whatever, and you asked said entity to give you more confidence. And lo and behold after this ritual you have more confidence! There's two possibilies l

1. This entity actually gave you more confidence through his divine powers
2. You think this entity gave you more confidence so you start to act more confident, without any external factors

If the result was the same, does it really matter if the force was external or internal?

Why does it affect your mental state? Could it be because your thoughts and the actions you take produce a phsycological response that then causes those feelings, regardless of whether anything was actually summoned or not? 🤔

@Diadact it does, because if it's an internal process, then you get people saying that demons exist when they don't 🤔

Right, but there really is no way to absolutely prove they exist without some Hollywood shit happening like stuff being thrown around a room or whatever

Next thing you know, you've conquered the middle east and have waged seven holy wars

hold up ill answer ur question but i gotta read all that text first lol

@Osteos no theyre just projecting a different type of energy

one thats more unsettling

but you get used to it after awhile