Well, death at the hands of people, not the entity himself

or, maybe you could make an argument that he was responsible for their actions

Supposedly from the entities divine words though

So what do you believe? Is it ultimately his doing or his followers?

or are they not so different anyway

Maybe it doesn't matter if it's one way or the other, idk

the result is the same

These are all really interesting theological questions

Well that's exactly the issue isn't it? If it's from his followers, then all of these actions derive from giving meaning to something that requires meaning to function. If it's from Allah, then meaning is pointless, it happens regardless of whether you believe or not

So are negative effects from speaking demons names an external effect (something that happens without belief) or an internal effect (something that happens because we believe it will)

I've always leaned toward the second

But haven't got any real experiences with negative entities so I'm not sure

Never encountered anything I've perceived as negative

It applies to any percieved effects

Positive or negative

I've purposely reached out to negative forces years ago. Not so much Hollywood ohsospoopy demon but more or less draining of energy, and of those around me

Not so fun, but I was a dumb kid who was curious

As far as the discussion goes above, this is the same argument in the bible, during exodus

the scripture clearly states it was God who hardened the pharaohs heart to the plight of the Jews

so does that mean the pharoh wasn't at fault? Do we not have free will and God or whoever has full control over our actions?

if that's the case then did he make eve bite the Apple and then punish her for doing so?

Big brain questions I'm not equipped to answer tbh, but interesting questions nontheless

Is it even really free will if it can be taken away 🤔

@Diadact is right yo

abt what they said awhile ago lol

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abt speaking a demons name

it just attracts bad mojo

Did you read any of the conversation after he said that? 🤔

🆙 | **Osteos leveled up!**

yea i did

like b4 i posted that

i was gon for awhile but i just wanted to add that in

So do you think "bad mojo" is an external or internal consequence?

My answer in tldr to the convo above is I'm not really sure. If the result is the same did it really matter if it was external or internal? Maybe it does matter, because the implications of it being external are scary, but so is it being completely internal

@Osteos eh prolly external

if uve summoned a demon and been in their prescence u prolly know what i mean

the energy they exude just sorta naturally causes you anxiety

Have you considered that it causes you anxiety because you give meaning to it 🤔

esp coming from the higher level ones

yea i have