Message from @PugThug

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2019-11-28 18:10:42 UTC  

So what do you believe? Is it ultimately his doing or his followers?

2019-11-28 18:10:54 UTC  

or are they not so different anyway

2019-11-28 18:11:13 UTC  

Maybe it doesn't matter if it's one way or the other, idk

2019-11-28 18:11:23 UTC  

the result is the same

2019-11-28 18:14:05 UTC  

These are all really interesting theological questions

2019-11-28 18:14:23 UTC  

Well that's exactly the issue isn't it? If it's from his followers, then all of these actions derive from giving meaning to something that requires meaning to function. If it's from Allah, then meaning is pointless, it happens regardless of whether you believe or not

2019-11-28 18:16:39 UTC  

So are negative effects from speaking demons names an external effect (something that happens without belief) or an internal effect (something that happens because we believe it will)

2019-11-28 18:17:29 UTC  

I've always leaned toward the second

2019-11-28 18:17:52 UTC  

But haven't got any real experiences with negative entities so I'm not sure

2019-11-28 18:18:06 UTC  

Never encountered anything I've perceived as negative

2019-11-28 18:19:10 UTC  

It applies to any percieved effects

2019-11-28 18:19:18 UTC  

Positive or negative

2019-11-28 18:19:33 UTC  

I've purposely reached out to negative forces years ago. Not so much Hollywood ohsospoopy demon but more or less draining of energy, and of those around me

2019-11-28 18:19:48 UTC  

Not so fun, but I was a dumb kid who was curious

2019-11-28 18:20:21 UTC  

As far as the discussion goes above, this is the same argument in the bible, during exodus

2019-11-28 18:20:52 UTC  

the scripture clearly states it was God who hardened the pharaohs heart to the plight of the Jews

2019-11-28 18:21:37 UTC  

so does that mean the pharoh wasn't at fault? Do we not have free will and God or whoever has full control over our actions?

2019-11-28 18:22:01 UTC  

if that's the case then did he make eve bite the Apple and then punish her for doing so?

2019-11-28 18:22:48 UTC  

Big brain questions I'm not equipped to answer tbh, but interesting questions nontheless

2019-11-28 18:24:01 UTC  

Is it even really free will if it can be taken away 🤔

2019-11-28 18:24:46 UTC  

@Diadact is right yo

2019-11-28 18:24:54 UTC  

abt what they said awhile ago lol

2019-11-28 18:25:00 UTC  

?

2019-11-28 18:26:19 UTC  

abt speaking a demons name

2019-11-28 18:26:30 UTC  

it just attracts bad mojo

2019-11-28 18:28:33 UTC  

Did you read any of the conversation after he said that? 🤔

2019-11-28 18:28:34 UTC  

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2019-11-28 18:29:19 UTC  

yea i did

2019-11-28 18:29:30 UTC  

like b4 i posted that

2019-11-28 18:29:46 UTC  

i was gon for awhile but i just wanted to add that in

2019-11-28 18:30:16 UTC  

So do you think "bad mojo" is an external or internal consequence?

2019-11-28 18:32:01 UTC  

My answer in tldr to the convo above is I'm not really sure. If the result is the same did it really matter if it was external or internal? Maybe it does matter, because the implications of it being external are scary, but so is it being completely internal

2019-11-28 18:32:52 UTC  

@Osteos eh prolly external

2019-11-28 18:33:15 UTC  

if uve summoned a demon and been in their prescence u prolly know what i mean

2019-11-28 18:33:30 UTC  

the energy they exude just sorta naturally causes you anxiety

2019-11-28 18:34:27 UTC  

Have you considered that it causes you anxiety because you give meaning to it 🤔

2019-11-28 18:34:32 UTC  

esp coming from the higher level ones

2019-11-28 18:34:54 UTC  

yea i have

2019-11-28 18:34:59 UTC  

but demons r powerful

2019-11-28 18:35:05 UTC  

Have you really 🤔

2019-11-28 18:35:06 UTC  

they can affect ur mental state in a lotta ways