also polling is very biased as it askes one group of voters to give their opinion and not others

Unlikely events happen

they where already saying she would win and started calling her madam president before the election even happened

Polling also attempts to take in a representative swathe of the country

the media was all sure she would win and she lost

polling numbers dont mean jack shit until the election actually happens simply basing your support or opinions of polls is ridiculous

polling is not accurate and hardly ever mimics what actually happens in the elections where ever they may be

people are already saying trump will lose because polls predict it

And great, but at this point your stating that you have no evidence and election results don’t back your claims as left leaning parties dominate the European periphery with few exceptions and liberal /conservatives dominate the core.

this idea polling is fact is easily disproved and basing your opinions on the polls is childish. Not saying you specifically but no one should base anything off on polling data that most likely has a bias

i have given you multiple examples of evidence you refuse to except them

i have discussed multiple events you know what i said dont act like you missed it

election results do back me and they are not claims its simply stating the fact

I didn’t say polling is fact, i said it’s representative and broadly predictive, which it is. I’ve showed that election results don’t demonstrate your assertions which you’ve rejected

And which election results, Spain where the socialists hold government?

Some loss for the left

right wing parties are rising across europe your argument against it was two countries that have left wing governments. You had no counter argument for any other nation that i mentioned prior to that

again your using one countrys government as your defense

i never said they where holding all countries so your using two nations as what?there is no point to use them since it doesnt make a counter to anything i said

Except I did as I said earlier far right and far left parties have been growing in lock step and even forming coalitions, as is the Italian case

far left parties have been declining and centrists parties are also taking the hit as well

Italy is a prime example of the nationalist sweep across Europe and the EU as a whole

Maybe you two should look up and show election results and demonstrate which is correct

i have given him multiple events in which right wing parties have burs-ted on to the political map

I have. As I’ve stated, Italy and Greece subvert this narrative and French and German polling don’t show the far right exerting enough pressure to form govt

There may be an upset, but there’s no reason to believe that out of hand

No what you did was use Greece and Spain as examples of two nations with left wing governments which does nothing to refute my argument of right wing parties sweeping europe

its not a small shift in one nation or region this is a mass realignment of political believes and a reclaim of national sovereignty and tradition

hear hear

again your basing your entire argument off of polling in two countries where the media is against right wing movements all together

how is that reliable information>

Italy
Govt formed by m5 (five star) in yellow: left leaning populist
La Lega in green: right leaning regionalist

and this proves my point again. You talked about economies well Italy has the fourth largest in the EU and is seeing a massive rise in nationalist/anti establishment parties

five star and the league are just two examples of this

also The League has over 60% approval dont believe me?its all there in the national and local elections of the past decade

Portugal
Govt formed by ps in pink: social democrats
Independent in grey

again your using one nations government as an attempt to deflect my argument when all it does is strength it

by showing only governments which large opposition or left wing governments you are showing a clear bias to which side your preferring over the other

you have done nothing but reinforce my points this entire time

I’ve shown fucking five different nations at this point. Austria has a right leaning Eurosceptic, Germany is either going to remain moderate liberal conservatives or go to the socialist parties and France doesn’t have an election until 2022