Message from @Deleted User
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Big gay system
Can I trade personal property with my comrade?
American Nationalist is an oxymoron.
Yes.
And a moron.
You can exchange and gift personal belongings between yourselves. I don't see any reason to regulate such.
Can we use IOUs to make trading easier, like I will trade him a box of tomatoes for 40 Snakebucks that I can use later to buy oranges?
You can have peer-to-peer currencies, as long as it is not exploitative or threatening the newly established order.
"as long as it is not exploitative or threatening the newly established order"
...could you elaborate lol
That's hella vague and open to abuse
Okay, let me try!
(Regarding exploitation:) As long as that peer-to-peer debt system does not lead to the threat of violence or the loss of *things* if it is not met. If they legitimately stole something, that is something else. But a loose verbal contract that they failed to meet. That is something you two would have to work out between yourselves.
Perhaps just directly exchanging your book for those home-grown oranges would be better, if you don't know if they can meet it in the future.
Regarding the newly established order; I simply mean "if it establishes a mini-capitalist market within Socialism".
define mini capitalist market
I mean it is a market technically if we are trading things
so certain things will be rare and will be worth more than other things at a given time
Well, yes. Earnestly? It'll probably be something that men and people smarter than me will have to respond to.. But...
Its a frisky matter.
A black market? No.
Do you get what I mean? Kind of?
*That makes sense.*
So I know whether trading oranges will lead to my execution
No.
I would say that, in general, peer-to-peer trading wouldn't be an issue.
It would only become such if the structure of capitalism is being gradually re-built.
With the threat of force to back it up, especially.
(Even if those people use a personal currency.)
Here's the thing: I get 10 of my neighbors together, each of us has a home with a lawn, and each of us has converted part of his lawn into a garden where he plants things. No hiring of workers is going on here, it's personal property. I plant my seeds, water them, etc. Now, I specialize in growing carrots, Bob specializes in cabbage, etc. Because it's inconvenient for us to always trade veggies we use Snakebucks as a handy IOU to help simplify this process.
That is fine.
Can I loan Snakebucks?
Yes.
Can I collect interest?
Assuming it is not forceful and consensual, yes.
Well when Bob asks me if he can borrow some Snakebucks we sit down and hash out the terms of the loan, and he agrees to give something up if he fails to pay on time.
If the time comes and he can't pay, surely what he promised to give me is now my personal property, yes?
For good measure, let's say the whole arrangement has been put into writing, signed by both of us, and witnessed/signed by a third party
It sounds fair to me, even though I feel kind of suspicious of the whole contract and how that could be expanded to exploit Mr. Bob. But, if Bob agrees and is of sound mind. Then it would be valid.
Some form of contract would have to exist for Craftsmen Unions and Co-Operatives to function smoothly, anyway.
Okay, one more question: let's imagine Bob knows if I lend him Snakebucks in all likelihood he won't be able to pay them off when the time comes, so he doesn't want to borrow them, but he really wants some Snakebucks. He has an offer for me: he will help me plant my carrots, and in exchange for his assistance, I'll give him Snakebucks.
Is that okay?