Message from @Deleted User

Discord ID: 540333993204121600


2019-01-31 00:47:50 UTC  

Nazbol gang?

2019-01-31 00:48:01 UTC  

No, there however shall be personal property.

2019-01-31 00:48:10 UTC  

No nazbol gang

2019-01-31 00:48:14 UTC  

Such as your house, your car, your personal belongings.

2019-01-31 00:48:16 UTC  

Big gay system

2019-01-31 00:48:22 UTC  

Can I trade personal property with my comrade?

2019-01-31 00:48:24 UTC  

American Nationalist is an oxymoron.

2019-01-31 00:48:27 UTC  

Yes.

2019-01-31 00:48:44 UTC  

And a moron.

2019-01-31 00:49:00 UTC  

You can exchange and gift personal belongings between yourselves. I don't see any reason to regulate such.

2019-01-31 00:49:12 UTC  

Can we use IOUs to make trading easier, like I will trade him a box of tomatoes for 40 Snakebucks that I can use later to buy oranges?

2019-01-31 00:49:59 UTC  

You can have peer-to-peer currencies, as long as it is not exploitative or threatening the newly established order.

2019-01-31 00:50:17 UTC  

"as long as it is not exploitative or threatening the newly established order"
...could you elaborate lol

2019-01-31 00:50:25 UTC  

That's hella vague and open to abuse

2019-01-31 00:50:32 UTC  

Okay, let me try!

2019-01-31 00:51:57 UTC  

(Regarding exploitation:) As long as that peer-to-peer debt system does not lead to the threat of violence or the loss of *things* if it is not met. If they legitimately stole something, that is something else. But a loose verbal contract that they failed to meet. That is something you two would have to work out between yourselves.

2019-01-31 00:52:32 UTC  

Perhaps just directly exchanging your book for those home-grown oranges would be better, if you don't know if they can meet it in the future.

2019-01-31 00:52:58 UTC  

Regarding the newly established order; I simply mean "if it establishes a mini-capitalist market within Socialism".

2019-01-31 00:53:41 UTC  

define mini capitalist market

2019-01-31 00:53:54 UTC  

I mean it is a market technically if we are trading things

2019-01-31 00:54:22 UTC  

so certain things will be rare and will be worth more than other things at a given time

2019-01-31 00:54:51 UTC  

Well, yes. Earnestly? It'll probably be something that men and people smarter than me will have to respond to.. But...

2019-01-31 00:54:57 UTC  

Its a frisky matter.

2019-01-31 00:55:11 UTC  

A black market? No.

2019-01-31 00:55:16 UTC  

Well maybe we ought to work out these minor details b4 the violent revolution

2019-01-31 00:55:17 UTC  

Do you get what I mean? Kind of?

2019-01-31 00:55:28 UTC  

*That makes sense.*

2019-01-31 00:55:41 UTC  

So I know whether trading oranges will lead to my execution

2019-01-31 00:55:50 UTC  

No.

2019-01-31 00:56:07 UTC  

I would say that, in general, peer-to-peer trading wouldn't be an issue.

2019-01-31 00:56:24 UTC  

It would only become such if the structure of capitalism is being gradually re-built.

2019-01-31 00:56:34 UTC  

With the threat of force to back it up, especially.

2019-01-31 00:56:47 UTC  

(Even if those people use a personal currency.)

2019-01-31 00:58:36 UTC  

Here's the thing: I get 10 of my neighbors together, each of us has a home with a lawn, and each of us has converted part of his lawn into a garden where he plants things. No hiring of workers is going on here, it's personal property. I plant my seeds, water them, etc. Now, I specialize in growing carrots, Bob specializes in cabbage, etc. Because it's inconvenient for us to always trade veggies we use Snakebucks as a handy IOU to help simplify this process.

2019-01-31 00:59:08 UTC  

That is fine.

2019-01-31 00:59:16 UTC  

Can I loan Snakebucks?

2019-01-31 00:59:20 UTC  

Yes.

2019-01-31 00:59:29 UTC  

Can I collect interest?

2019-01-31 00:59:42 UTC  

Assuming it is not forceful and consensual, yes.

2019-01-31 01:00:41 UTC  

Well when Bob asks me if he can borrow some Snakebucks we sit down and hash out the terms of the loan, and he agrees to give something up if he fails to pay on time.

2019-01-31 01:01:13 UTC  

If the time comes and he can't pay, surely what he promised to give me is now my personal property, yes?