Message from @Von Freundschaft
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Von can you describe the system you are advocating to me? How would this society operate?
For example: will there be any private property
Nazbol gang?
No, there however shall be personal property.
No nazbol gang
Such as your house, your car, your personal belongings.
Big gay system
Can I trade personal property with my comrade?
American Nationalist is an oxymoron.
Yes.
And a moron.
You can exchange and gift personal belongings between yourselves. I don't see any reason to regulate such.
Can we use IOUs to make trading easier, like I will trade him a box of tomatoes for 40 Snakebucks that I can use later to buy oranges?
You can have peer-to-peer currencies, as long as it is not exploitative or threatening the newly established order.
"as long as it is not exploitative or threatening the newly established order"
...could you elaborate lol
That's hella vague and open to abuse
Okay, let me try!
(Regarding exploitation:) As long as that peer-to-peer debt system does not lead to the threat of violence or the loss of *things* if it is not met. If they legitimately stole something, that is something else. But a loose verbal contract that they failed to meet. That is something you two would have to work out between yourselves.
Perhaps just directly exchanging your book for those home-grown oranges would be better, if you don't know if they can meet it in the future.
Regarding the newly established order; I simply mean "if it establishes a mini-capitalist market within Socialism".
define mini capitalist market
I mean it is a market technically if we are trading things
so certain things will be rare and will be worth more than other things at a given time
Well, yes. Earnestly? It'll probably be something that men and people smarter than me will have to respond to.. But...
Its a frisky matter.
A black market? No.
Well maybe we ought to work out these minor details b4 the violent revolution
Do you get what I mean? Kind of?
*That makes sense.*
So I know whether trading oranges will lead to my execution
No.
I would say that, in general, peer-to-peer trading wouldn't be an issue.
It would only become such if the structure of capitalism is being gradually re-built.
With the threat of force to back it up, especially.
(Even if those people use a personal currency.)
Here's the thing: I get 10 of my neighbors together, each of us has a home with a lawn, and each of us has converted part of his lawn into a garden where he plants things. No hiring of workers is going on here, it's personal property. I plant my seeds, water them, etc. Now, I specialize in growing carrots, Bob specializes in cabbage, etc. Because it's inconvenient for us to always trade veggies we use Snakebucks as a handy IOU to help simplify this process.
That is fine.
Can I loan Snakebucks?
Yes.
Can I collect interest?