Message from @Gimli

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2019-01-31 01:11:17 UTC  

Well- Most likely.

2019-01-31 01:11:30 UTC  

I think this should be hammered out prior to the revolution

2019-01-31 01:11:45 UTC  

Of course.

2019-01-31 01:11:50 UTC  

Because I have this sinking suspicion that if it's allowed people will do it

2019-01-31 01:12:27 UTC  

and the personal carrot farmers will have better carrots than the socialist government

2019-01-31 01:12:52 UTC  

and everyone will want more personal IOUs so they can obtain these personal goods

2019-01-31 01:13:06 UTC  

Organic, small farms are better in quality than factory farming.

2019-01-31 01:13:18 UTC  

However, we both know that not all farms can be like that.

2019-01-31 01:13:22 UTC  

But-

2019-01-31 01:13:27 UTC  

Well here's the thing...

2019-01-31 01:13:44 UTC  

I can always buy a house with a bigger lawn, yes?

2019-01-31 01:14:08 UTC  

If I'm only allowed to own one house, then so be it: I'll move, selling my old house for a better house

2019-01-31 01:14:40 UTC  

You wouldn't buy or sell. It would be exchanges and transfers of personal property when we're dealing with houses.

2019-01-31 01:14:52 UTC  

perhaps I'll make a deal with a gentlemen who owns a house with a very large yard: we will trade houses and I'll give him 1000 Snakebucks for his help

2019-01-31 01:17:12 UTC  

In any case, I will aim to have the largest yard possible, so I can plant more carrots. My hypothetical wife and our 8 children will assist me with the maintenance of our family carrot garden and I shall trade Snakebucks for Bob's assistance and the assistance of 20 other eager comrades who want Snakebucks. Then I shall trade the carrots we produce for Snakebucks.

2019-01-31 01:18:45 UTC  

You know, I can dig your society

2019-01-31 01:20:28 UTC  

Yeah, no. If this was to happen. A response would have to be given out. This little blackmarket crushed and those who would conditioned into re-accepting such exploitation should be re-educated.

2019-01-31 01:20:59 UTC  

BLACK MARKET!? 😱
No, no, no! Von, this is a misunderstanding

2019-01-31 01:21:15 UTC  

Exploitation? Surely not

2019-01-31 01:21:35 UTC  

We're merely exchanging personal property

2019-01-31 01:22:25 UTC  

2019-01-31 01:23:41 UTC  

It shares the building blocks of capitalism. Which is already assumed to be exploitative for argument.

2019-01-31 01:23:49 UTC  

@Gimli hello

2019-01-31 01:23:57 UTC  
2019-01-31 01:24:24 UTC  

But von, you said yourself that it was okay to trade personal property under socialism, yes?

2019-01-31 01:24:38 UTC  

Why the sudden change of heart?

2019-01-31 01:25:59 UTC  

I mean each individual act is allowed. We're allowed to trade houses, we're allowed to plant veggies in out gardens, we're allowed to trade veggies, we're allowed to use IOUs for veggie trading...what's the issue here?

2019-01-31 01:28:07 UTC  

The I.O.U.s may not exactly be allowed. Some of the situations mentioned would have to be regulated.

2019-01-31 01:28:25 UTC  

But the I.O.U.s are personal property

2019-01-31 01:28:25 UTC  

All together, it creates the system which was overthrown.

2019-01-31 01:29:03 UTC  

I took pieces of paper and drew on them then traded them for veggies

2019-01-31 01:29:24 UTC  

is that not allowed? Why do the papers need special regulation when the carrots don't?

2019-01-31 01:31:04 UTC  

Perhaps its the deal I made with Bob in which Bob assists me in gardening in exchange for Snakebucks. I bet that rubbed you the wrong way

2019-01-31 01:31:24 UTC  

Because it is capitalism.

2019-01-31 01:31:27 UTC  

Just peer-to-peer.

2019-01-31 01:31:46 UTC  

Well is "peer-to-peer capitalism" as you describe it allowed?

2019-01-31 01:32:23 UTC  

I wouldn't allow it, if I had the power to make that decision.

2019-01-31 01:32:42 UTC  

Its people who were conditioned into believing their own expxloitation is for their benefit re-building their abuser.

2019-01-31 01:32:45 UTC  

Okay, then what makes it peer-to-peer capitalism? Was it the deal with Bob?

2019-01-31 01:33:02 UTC  

What if I made no deals of the sort

2019-01-31 01:33:02 UTC  

Yes, it was.