Message from @Deleted User

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2019-01-31 01:04:18 UTC  

It sounds fair to me, even though I feel kind of suspicious of the whole contract and how that could be expanded to exploit Mr. Bob. But, if Bob agrees and is of sound mind. Then it would be valid.

2019-01-31 01:05:00 UTC  

Some form of contract would have to exist for Craftsmen Unions and Co-Operatives to function smoothly, anyway.

2019-01-31 01:08:32 UTC  

Okay, one more question: let's imagine Bob knows if I lend him Snakebucks in all likelihood he won't be able to pay them off when the time comes, so he doesn't want to borrow them, but he really wants some Snakebucks. He has an offer for me: he will help me plant my carrots, and in exchange for his assistance, I'll give him Snakebucks.
Is that okay?

2019-01-31 01:09:29 UTC  

That is going a bit too far in just re-constructing the capitalist market.

2019-01-31 01:09:47 UTC  

lol you were fine with it a sec ago

2019-01-31 01:09:57 UTC  

I don't see the big problem here

2019-01-31 01:10:04 UTC  

In that first place, it all seems unneeded and complicating things that are simple.

2019-01-31 01:10:06 UTC  

just a couple bros trading personal prop

2019-01-31 01:10:19 UTC  

But-

2019-01-31 01:10:23 UTC  

a couple good ol socialist comrades 😉

2019-01-31 01:10:29 UTC  

If that is just what they want.

2019-01-31 01:10:32 UTC  

I guess... Whatever.

2019-01-31 01:10:48 UTC  

So what I've described is ok under socialism?

2019-01-31 01:10:52 UTC  

If the mode of production is firmly socialistic in wider society.

2019-01-31 01:11:00 UTC  

We're not breaking any rules here

2019-01-31 01:11:10 UTC  

It would be unreasonable to police it and it also wouldn't develop.

2019-01-31 01:11:17 UTC  

Well- Most likely.

2019-01-31 01:11:30 UTC  

I think this should be hammered out prior to the revolution

2019-01-31 01:11:45 UTC  

Of course.

2019-01-31 01:11:50 UTC  

Because I have this sinking suspicion that if it's allowed people will do it

2019-01-31 01:12:27 UTC  

and the personal carrot farmers will have better carrots than the socialist government

2019-01-31 01:12:52 UTC  

and everyone will want more personal IOUs so they can obtain these personal goods

2019-01-31 01:13:06 UTC  

Organic, small farms are better in quality than factory farming.

2019-01-31 01:13:18 UTC  

However, we both know that not all farms can be like that.

2019-01-31 01:13:22 UTC  

But-

2019-01-31 01:13:27 UTC  

Well here's the thing...

2019-01-31 01:13:44 UTC  

I can always buy a house with a bigger lawn, yes?

2019-01-31 01:14:08 UTC  

If I'm only allowed to own one house, then so be it: I'll move, selling my old house for a better house

2019-01-31 01:14:40 UTC  

You wouldn't buy or sell. It would be exchanges and transfers of personal property when we're dealing with houses.

2019-01-31 01:14:52 UTC  

perhaps I'll make a deal with a gentlemen who owns a house with a very large yard: we will trade houses and I'll give him 1000 Snakebucks for his help

2019-01-31 01:17:12 UTC  

In any case, I will aim to have the largest yard possible, so I can plant more carrots. My hypothetical wife and our 8 children will assist me with the maintenance of our family carrot garden and I shall trade Snakebucks for Bob's assistance and the assistance of 20 other eager comrades who want Snakebucks. Then I shall trade the carrots we produce for Snakebucks.

2019-01-31 01:18:45 UTC  

You know, I can dig your society

2019-01-31 01:20:28 UTC  

Yeah, no. If this was to happen. A response would have to be given out. This little blackmarket crushed and those who would conditioned into re-accepting such exploitation should be re-educated.

2019-01-31 01:20:59 UTC  

BLACK MARKET!? 😱
No, no, no! Von, this is a misunderstanding

2019-01-31 01:21:15 UTC  

Exploitation? Surely not

2019-01-31 01:21:35 UTC  

We're merely exchanging personal property

2019-01-31 01:22:25 UTC  

2019-01-31 01:23:41 UTC  

It shares the building blocks of capitalism. Which is already assumed to be exploitative for argument.

2019-01-31 01:23:49 UTC  

@Gimli hello

2019-01-31 01:23:57 UTC  
2019-01-31 01:24:24 UTC  

But von, you said yourself that it was okay to trade personal property under socialism, yes?