I don't even mind telling you that

You can still say what something isn't without having to say what it is

I'm not a communist or a socialist, but I know what the terms mean

you don't

I do

I told you it's MoP state or worker owned

simple as that

If you disagree with me you're a goshdarn COMMIE

Same crop

yes

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ "One thing more must be noted. If within a society based on private ownership of the means of production some of these means are publicly owned and operated, this still does not make for a mixed system which would combine socialism and private property. As long as only certain individual enterprises are publicly owned, the remaining being privately owned, the characteristics of the market economy which determine economic activity remain essentially unimpaired." - Ludwig von Mises, in Interventionism: An Economic Analysis

It's not as simple as the state owning the MOP. The state CAN OWN THE MOP, but it must be the workers who control the state

Was the communist party comprised of workers in the USSR?

>using the word "crop" in a socialism debate

That is the point of

@Ghost of Descartes Wheres the context of that

"collective ownership"

you dunce

becausr that goes against the entire Austrian school

collectivt ownership yes

and governmental

No

lol

it literally says

You're not reading it. I will mute you until you learn to read

I said worker **or** government ownership

you will be unmuted

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ https://fee.org/media/22117/interventionismaneconomicanalysis.pdf

Collective ownership and governmental ownership are not mutually exclusive

They can be the same thing

Collective ownership through the state is socialism

Governmental ownership on its own, is not

Mental gymnastics

it quite clearly says government or

collective (worker)

You're making a fool out of yourself

You can't avoid that

You have convinced nobody

How so?
I'm not the one failing here

Can we abolish government please? I am definately a capitalist I promise.