It's not as simple as the state owning the MOP. The state CAN OWN THE MOP, but it must be the workers who control the state

Was the communist party comprised of workers in the USSR?

>using the word "crop" in a socialism debate

That is the point of

@Ghost of Descartes Wheres the context of that

"collective ownership"

you dunce

becausr that goes against the entire Austrian school

collectivt ownership yes

and governmental

No

lol

it literally says

You're not reading it. I will mute you until you learn to read

I said worker **or** government ownership

you will be unmuted

@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ https://fee.org/media/22117/interventionismaneconomicanalysis.pdf

Collective ownership and governmental ownership are not mutually exclusive

They can be the same thing

Collective ownership through the state is socialism

Governmental ownership on its own, is not

Mental gymnastics

it quite clearly says government or

collective (worker)

You're making a fool out of yourself

You can't avoid that

You have convinced nobody

How so?
I'm not the one failing here

Can we abolish government please? I am definately a capitalist I promise.

(hail Lenin)

@Ghost of Descartes "mmarket economy"

Not making an adpopulum fallacy, but part of the purpose of the argument is to convince your opponent

Nobody has been convinced

is not the same thing as a capitlaist economy

In that sense, you have failed

You're clearly being dishonest, it says government or collective ownership

in the defintion I posted

There are other types of capitalism besides an-capism.

Nope

there is nothing such