Message from @The Big Oof
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the history of socialism does prove my point however, things like USSR
leizzes faire is when there is no govenrment intervention
The USSR wasn't socialist, it was the closest thing to socialism that will ever be accomplished.
Also, socialism has a deeper history than "the USSR"
It was socialist
it makes sense that you think that
But yes I know it has a deeper historu
But USSR is fairly old, 1920 stuff
Considering you use a Marxist-Leninist definition of socialism
Socialism predates the USSR by several decades....
Yes I know
I never said it didn’t
However the USSR was a socialist economy
State owned the MoP
Okay, so name a socialist pre-Stalin that said market intervention was socialism
You named the USSR
if you know a lot about socialism
Just give me a name
They probably didn’t say anything like that, they just wanted to abolish the market.
As Marx said aswell, socialism was the transition to communism
Socialism was set into place to abolish the market
By using interventionist methods
Marx wouldn't have seen the USSR as socialist
Probably would have
of
production
interventionism is abolishing the market forced
intervention is not owning means of production
Socialism isn’t just means of production owned by the state or workers
it also wants the market abolished
and also to secure the workers owning the MoP, the state must intervene.
its anything realted to state dealing with economic affairs of the state
It wants laisses faire economics gone....Market Socialism is a thing
If socialism is owning the mop, then regulation is not socialism if they don't own it
Yes it also wants to abolish the free market
Through state intervention
hence any intervention is socialist
Regulation is often done with the intent of making the market fairer. Be that an ineffective policy, it's not socialism even with this retarded definition @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ
Market interventions are not incompatible with capitalism
You do know Keynesian economics is a thing right?
Yes and it’s not capitalism
This guy thinks Pinochet was socialist