Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ
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so sets up monpolies
just one of examples
wait a socialists agree monopolies are created by the state
That’s a new
They don't. You won't even allow discussion of the history of socialism, playing these childish games with webster's definition
doesn’t matter
If the history of socialism means nothing, then any word can be given any meaning
Capitalism is state intervention
the history of socialism does prove my point however, things like USSR
leizzes faire is when there is no govenrment intervention
The USSR wasn't socialist, it was the closest thing to socialism that will ever be accomplished.
Also, socialism has a deeper history than "the USSR"
It was socialist
it makes sense that you think that
But yes I know it has a deeper historu
But USSR is fairly old, 1920 stuff
Considering you use a Marxist-Leninist definition of socialism
Socialism predates the USSR by several decades....
Yes I know
I never said it didn’t
However the USSR was a socialist economy
Okay, so name a socialist pre-Stalin that said market intervention was socialism
You named the USSR
if you know a lot about socialism
Just give me a name
They probably didn’t say anything like that, they just wanted to abolish the market.
As Marx said aswell, socialism was the transition to communism
Socialism was set into place to abolish the market
Name a socialist who defined socialism as the state simply owning the means of production
By using interventionist methods
Marx wouldn't have seen the USSR as socialist
Probably would have
of
production
interventionism is abolishing the market forced
intervention is not owning means of production
Socialism isn’t just means of production owned by the state or workers
it also wants the market abolished
and also to secure the workers owning the MoP, the state must intervene.
its anything realted to state dealing with economic affairs of the state
It wants laisses faire economics gone....Market Socialism is a thing