What about freedom from rapists? To have this you need a mechanism for killing/deterring them

depends how you read it. I don't get slave morality from Buddhism

Lol

@snakeeater stop doing thick libertarianism

it's retarded

it just ends with socialism

The libertarian concept of freedom is property rights, I'm not a Libertarian btw

>everyone needs a gun provided by the state to defend themselves

You are only free from rapists because you live in a state that enforces that. That "rule" does not extend past it's enforement

yes

on a biological level

you will endure what you must

there is no freedom except what is purchased

Freedom from ______. So with no potential oppressors or assailants is freedom even real? Or can it only exist with the potential for harm?

purchased in the sense that you have a monopoly on force

Seeing as how the state will never give up power

the natural state of post-agricultural life is statism

as a result of the centralization of force

"is freedom even real"

only in the sense that it's some abstraction people enforce

freedom is privileges purchased by a monopoly on violence

You love the word "abstract". Lol

yes

abstract in the sense it doesn't exist

it's just an idea

I do, because it is an important concept

it has no bearing upon life beyond that people believe in it

"Freedom from x" only exists as an abstract

It's you forcing your hubristic beliefs on nature

Yeah and almost everything in society is based around those type of beliefs. And yes it is somewhat of a circular fallacy. But does that mean that it is not a healthy construct for the masses?

he's right you know

You cannot accept what is

just like crimes are arbitrarily defined

there is no crime against humanity

rape was a normal occurrence for millions of years

in every biological organism

I would not ever use *freedom from x*

As a kind of freedom

sure you could get reprecussions

but in of itself it wasn't a crime

"is society a healthy construct"

If we are talking biologically, fuck no

society is not a construct though