Message from @💀Fury 6💀

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2019-03-03 22:51:56 UTC  

What about freedom from rapists? To have this you need a mechanism for killing/deterring them

2019-03-03 22:52:18 UTC  

depends how you read it. I don't get slave morality from Buddhism

2019-03-03 22:52:21 UTC  

Lol

2019-03-03 22:52:27 UTC  

@snakeeater stop doing thick libertarianism

2019-03-03 22:52:32 UTC  

it's retarded

2019-03-03 22:52:39 UTC  

it just ends with socialism

2019-03-03 22:52:43 UTC  

The libertarian concept of freedom is property rights, I'm not a Libertarian btw

2019-03-03 22:52:57 UTC  

>everyone needs a gun provided by the state to defend themselves

2019-03-03 22:53:12 UTC  

You are only free from rapists because you live in a state that enforces that. That "rule" does not extend past it's enforement

2019-03-03 22:53:18 UTC  

yes

2019-03-03 22:53:20 UTC  

on a biological level

2019-03-03 22:53:23 UTC  

you will endure what you must

2019-03-03 22:53:30 UTC  

there is no freedom except what is purchased

2019-03-03 22:53:38 UTC  

Freedom from ______. So with no potential oppressors or assailants is freedom even real? Or can it only exist with the potential for harm?

2019-03-03 22:53:42 UTC  

purchased in the sense that you have a monopoly on force

2019-03-03 22:53:57 UTC  

Seeing as how the state will never give up power

2019-03-03 22:54:14 UTC  

the natural state of post-agricultural life is statism

2019-03-03 22:54:19 UTC  

as a result of the centralization of force

2019-03-03 22:54:29 UTC  

"is freedom even real"

only in the sense that it's some abstraction people enforce

2019-03-03 22:54:42 UTC  

freedom is privileges purchased by a monopoly on violence

2019-03-03 22:54:49 UTC  

You love the word "abstract". Lol

2019-03-03 22:54:53 UTC  

yes

2019-03-03 22:54:59 UTC  

abstract in the sense it doesn't exist

2019-03-03 22:55:01 UTC  

it's just an idea

2019-03-03 22:55:08 UTC  

I do, because it is an important concept

2019-03-03 22:55:13 UTC  

it has no bearing upon life beyond that people believe in it

2019-03-03 22:55:27 UTC  

"Freedom from x" only exists as an abstract

2019-03-03 22:56:09 UTC  

It's you forcing your hubristic beliefs on nature

2019-03-03 22:56:26 UTC  

Yeah and almost everything in society is based around those type of beliefs. And yes it is somewhat of a circular fallacy. But does that mean that it is not a healthy construct for the masses?

2019-03-03 22:56:26 UTC  

he's right you know

2019-03-03 22:56:26 UTC  

You cannot accept what is

2019-03-03 22:56:37 UTC  

just like crimes are arbitrarily defined

2019-03-03 22:56:45 UTC  

there is no crime against humanity

2019-03-03 22:57:01 UTC  

rape was a normal occurrence for millions of years

2019-03-03 22:57:05 UTC  

in every biological organism

2019-03-03 22:57:08 UTC  

I would not ever use *freedom from x*

2019-03-03 22:57:15 UTC  

As a kind of freedom

2019-03-03 22:57:18 UTC  

sure you could get reprecussions

2019-03-03 22:57:22 UTC  

but in of itself it wasn't a crime

2019-03-03 22:57:27 UTC  

"is society a healthy construct"

If we are talking biologically, fuck no

2019-03-03 22:57:37 UTC  

society is not a construct though