Message from @campodin

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2019-03-03 22:54:14 UTC  

the natural state of post-agricultural life is statism

2019-03-03 22:54:19 UTC  

as a result of the centralization of force

2019-03-03 22:54:29 UTC  

"is freedom even real"

only in the sense that it's some abstraction people enforce

2019-03-03 22:54:42 UTC  

freedom is privileges purchased by a monopoly on violence

2019-03-03 22:54:49 UTC  

You love the word "abstract". Lol

2019-03-03 22:54:53 UTC  

yes

2019-03-03 22:54:59 UTC  

abstract in the sense it doesn't exist

2019-03-03 22:55:01 UTC  

it's just an idea

2019-03-03 22:55:08 UTC  

I do, because it is an important concept

2019-03-03 22:55:13 UTC  

it has no bearing upon life beyond that people believe in it

2019-03-03 22:55:27 UTC  

"Freedom from x" only exists as an abstract

2019-03-03 22:56:09 UTC  

It's you forcing your hubristic beliefs on nature

2019-03-03 22:56:26 UTC  

Yeah and almost everything in society is based around those type of beliefs. And yes it is somewhat of a circular fallacy. But does that mean that it is not a healthy construct for the masses?

2019-03-03 22:56:26 UTC  

he's right you know

2019-03-03 22:56:26 UTC  

You cannot accept what is

2019-03-03 22:56:37 UTC  

just like crimes are arbitrarily defined

2019-03-03 22:56:45 UTC  

there is no crime against humanity

2019-03-03 22:57:01 UTC  

rape was a normal occurrence for millions of years

2019-03-03 22:57:05 UTC  

in every biological organism

2019-03-03 22:57:08 UTC  

I would not ever use *freedom from x*

2019-03-03 22:57:15 UTC  

As a kind of freedom

2019-03-03 22:57:18 UTC  

sure you could get reprecussions

2019-03-03 22:57:22 UTC  

but in of itself it wasn't a crime

2019-03-03 22:57:27 UTC  

"is society a healthy construct"

If we are talking biologically, fuck no

2019-03-03 22:57:37 UTC  

society is not a construct though

2019-03-03 22:57:49 UTC  

tribalism is engrained in your DNA

2019-03-03 22:58:05 UTC  

if we consider tribalism a form of society no it's a biological strategy that certainly exists in many species

2019-03-03 22:58:07 UTC  

*modern civilization

2019-03-03 22:58:17 UTC  

or civilization

2019-03-03 22:58:32 UTC  

agriculture exists

2019-03-03 22:58:37 UTC  

morality does not exist

2019-03-03 22:58:46 UTC  

morality is arbitrarily defined by what you feel

2019-03-03 22:58:51 UTC  

there is no real basis to it

2019-03-03 22:59:11 UTC  

Oh boy. You guys take a hard modernist perspective to everything huh?

2019-03-03 22:59:34 UTC  

the only morality we have as humans really is in-group, out-group, dysgenic, eugenic

2019-03-03 22:59:45 UTC  

which is based entirely on what your genes force you to feel

2019-03-03 22:59:56 UTC  

you are just an expression of your genome in different contexts

2019-03-03 23:00:05 UTC  

It's actually opposed to modernist belief. Your liberal "rights and "freedoms" are by definition modernist

2019-03-03 23:00:17 UTC  

bad things in morality are defined via your genome saying it's probably bad

2019-03-03 23:00:24 UTC  

good things in morality are defined via your genome saying it's probably good

2019-03-03 23:00:27 UTC  

You do understand what a modernist is right?