Message from @Sister Nassie
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So I see what you mean I guess
That Catch 22 about our total victory is like one or two things I actually would agree with when it comes to critiques of us.
Maybe that should be a poll. Considering conflict is how we grow, what do we do if we win? The classical answer is that we let ourselves promptly fail so the cycle can continue, but that seems rather rarted.
Exactly
Yeah honestly I have no idea what the solution would be
I guess one way to look at it is if total victory is achieved when we'd finally grow decadent again, it would be nowhere near as bad as what decadence has been experienced historically and a recover would also be easier given the conditions we'd create.
Nietzsche outright rejected goal based thinking in favor of amore fati for issues like this.
@The State Would it though? People like Evola would say we started in that near perfect state, yet over the centuries we still managed to reach the decadence we have now.
However he was not incorrect for centuries past we had reactionary systems that while certainly better than modern liberalism were far from perfect.
Reactionary systems last for thousands of years. Liberal systems, on the other hand, only last for a few centuries tops before being replaced with a reactionary system. How did we get to the decadence we have now? We deviated from our societal foundations, starting with the Reformation and snowballing from there. The thing is, when you tolerate even the slightest bit of modernist philosophy, it will turn into the shit we have now because one revolution always fuels another.
So the problem is delayed then, not gone?
Wdym @HadrianEtAntinous
The only way to get rid of the problem is to fully embrace the West's foundations. That means accepting all the logos and rejecting all the anti-logos:
@HadrianEtAntinous sorry for my ignorance, but what is Catch 22?
The decay would just be slow, not gone. @The State
We only started having problems when we embraced modernism.
Catch 22. An example is:
In needing experience to get a job..."How can I get any experience until I get a job that gives me experience?"
We had problems as soon as the Enl*ghtenment hit
@HadrianEtAntinous The decay would be impossible to eliminate, the only solution is for when we achieve total victory that we implement a system and pursue policies where the decay is as slow and as not bad as possible.
If we started to completely reject modernism and instead completely embrace the logos, society would be thriving once again.
@IliasSpook No, we had problems as soon as the Reformation hit. Without the Reformation, the Enlightenment would've never been able to happen.
ah, i see
You can see the slippery slope here. ^
Like I said, one revolution always fuels another.
The reformation was the catholic church's failures coming back to haunt them
It was well deserved karma that backfired on everything
U do know logos is a pagan concept
Right?
@Cвятогор It's not a pagan concept, it's a Greek philosophical concept.
Well done @Sister Nassie, you just advanced to level 2!
Its litteraly the greek version of dharma
y'all gay lol
Lmfao
Imagine hating heretics from splitting from your heretic church that splitted from The Church
An Indo european thing
Aka pagang
@IliasSpook But the Church didn't fail. Seriously, I'm only a Catholic because I actually studied this history.
Not starting a shit fest just stating a fact
The church's failures all stem back to merging church and state
that resulted in rampant corruption