You believe facism can

I certainly don't because it's quite evident that China already is influencing it to their benefit

Such as when Portugal veto'd EU regulation to prevent Chinese investment in strategic sectors then cited "aiding China."

Our platforms and systems you see as benefits, China sees as weakness

And is actively exploiting them.

Such as in Australia and now Europe.

You see I don't see that as a liberal action

I see that as illiberal

Which means the system that allows that based on the Liberal platform needs reforn

Not that the platform is sick

Of course the playform is sick, else it wouldn't require reform..

You don't cut off your arm if you have a broken finger.

The platform doesn't

The system does

The system sits on the basic foundations

Foundations which our enemies are using against us, sure.

The system currently allows betrayal of the platform while sitting on it.

If you want to contend that examples of problems in a system means the whole thing is trash, fascism doesnt really have a leg to stand on

Fascism took a broken Germany and made it the power of Europe. It required three Empires to destroy it. @Dubdogelmo

Fascism took a Germany with problems and turned it into a pile of burning rubble

Occupied by commies and liberals

and the reason it did so much damage was that Europe was used to foreign relations being dictated by some sort of pragmatism

and was then unprepared for the unparalleled autism that was nazism

I suppose it was a different pragmatic approach

Especially down in the Balkans

it really wasn't

they had no hope of winning the war

Fuuuuuuck traffic

And fuck all these right laners

You laugh joshu

but there was a clear difference between education levels of remainers and leavers

🙂

yes, so we should discount the result

Judging the value of votes on education levels is stupid

is it? shit me.

You don't necessarily need to get a high education level to be smart, PEP

"my opponents are so stupid"

So someone went to University that doesn't mean they know absolutely everything and can never be wrong again

To be honest the only thing is really means is that they probably won't know the struggle of the working class

on what basis did britain apply to join the EU? anyone know?

For Free Trade mainly