There's morons in here who claim and believe all types of crap about China.

I can show them that they're wrong and that they are a threat, they STILL won't believe me.

Why should we care about the beliefs of those people?

Whom are clearly deluded.

The liberal ideas IS the problem when it comes to China.

Yes Nathan. However we have a load of different beliefs. Within the Liberal sphere right.

Therefore any attack on the platform of liberalism can be combated by a unity of those people with differing opinions.

Every day we squabble between eachother, China grows.

History has shown we can squabble but come together when required.

It's hard

But it happens.

And history has shown that when an enemy economically influences a country to gain power, they usually win.

It's exactly what the British, Spanish, Portugese empires did.

They're doing the exact same things to us.

Which is why I explained we need to start seeing their influence as illiberal

We already do

We have the same basic outcome of limiting Chinese influence

You want to do it different

I believe the current platform can be a used

You believe facism can

I certainly don't because it's quite evident that China already is influencing it to their benefit

Such as when Portugal veto'd EU regulation to prevent Chinese investment in strategic sectors then cited "aiding China."

Our platforms and systems you see as benefits, China sees as weakness

And is actively exploiting them.

Such as in Australia and now Europe.

You see I don't see that as a liberal action

I see that as illiberal

Which means the system that allows that based on the Liberal platform needs reforn

Not that the platform is sick

Of course the playform is sick, else it wouldn't require reform..

You don't cut off your arm if you have a broken finger.

The platform doesn't

The system does

The system sits on the basic foundations

Foundations which our enemies are using against us, sure.

The system currently allows betrayal of the platform while sitting on it.

If you want to contend that examples of problems in a system means the whole thing is trash, fascism doesnt really have a leg to stand on

Fascism took a broken Germany and made it the power of Europe. It required three Empires to destroy it. @Dubdogelmo

Fascism took a Germany with problems and turned it into a pile of burning rubble

Occupied by commies and liberals

and the reason it did so much damage was that Europe was used to foreign relations being dictated by some sort of pragmatism

and was then unprepared for the unparalleled autism that was nazism