Message from @викингмункй

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2019-09-19 08:57:45 UTC  

There is an article in the telegraph about how British institutions have been so damage by brexit that we should think of total reform.
Like a written constitution.

Which I halfway agree with. PM’s have proven that they have no respect for the unwritten rules they are expected to follow the spirit of.
But on the other hand the idea that no parliament can bind the hands of its successors is also something I agree with

2019-09-19 09:38:39 UTC  

I notice trudeau is not trending

2019-09-19 09:39:05 UTC  

if it was trump or boris it would be trending for a week

2019-09-19 09:39:14 UTC  

at least

2019-09-19 09:39:28 UTC  

trump would probably be impeached

2019-09-19 09:47:40 UTC  

A written constitution would be horrible.

2019-09-19 09:52:44 UTC  

@Hiddenhope Well ... we do have a written constitution here in Germany ... and the politicians are ignoring that one as well, because far too many of them are lawyers or lawyer-minded and are "using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law." In theory it is ILLEGAL for Germany to be a member of the EU, because that organisation has the end goal of "ending the sovereignty of Germany", which doesnt mix with §20(2) "All state authority is derived from the people." ... which includes the creation of laws, but if politicians we didnt vote for are writing them it is against that article.

2019-09-19 09:53:47 UTC  

In theory we have "the right to resist" ... but I doubt judges would see this as a valid excuse.

2019-09-19 09:54:07 UTC  

the USSR had a constitution

2019-09-19 09:54:19 UTC  

"Article 50. In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations. Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organisations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio."

2019-09-19 09:54:23 UTC  

tl;dr ... written laws arent safer because politicians will still circumvent/abuse them.

2019-09-19 09:55:22 UTC  

Ch4 has the comments turned off

2019-09-19 09:55:24 UTC  

sigh!

2019-09-19 09:56:12 UTC  

They probably still remember the "Cathy Newman vs. Jordan Peterson" desaster ... and dont want to pay moderators to delete comments.

2019-09-19 09:56:22 UTC  

Reminder the supreme court will vote the prorogation legal.

2019-09-19 09:58:44 UTC  

"Article 57. Respect for the individual and protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens are the duty of all state bodies, public organisations, and officials. Citizens of the USSR have the right to protection by the courts against encroachments on their honour and reputation, life and health, and personal freedom and property."

2019-09-19 09:58:57 UTC  

USSR just simply redefines what property means 😛

2019-09-19 09:59:55 UTC  

The one really great thing in our german constituion is THE RIGHT TO RESIST ... which was added to protect the country from "changing the system" by a dictator. Every german is empowered to "resist", although it isnt stated HOW. This bit is something you should make sure to be included if you get a written constitution for Britain.

2019-09-19 10:00:44 UTC  

We'll be sure to word it better.

2019-09-19 10:00:50 UTC  

@wacka Well ... there is probably another article which allows the state to take your property ... and if you dont have any the state doesnt need to protect it again.

2019-09-19 10:01:12 UTC  

"Article 61. Citizens of the USSR are obliged to preserve and protect socialist property. It is the duty of a citizen of the USSR to combat misappropriation and squandering of state and socially-owned property and to make thrifty use of the people's wealth. Persons encroaching in any way on socialist property shall be punished according to the law"

2019-09-19 10:01:26 UTC  

Yes ... make it foolproof against "using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit of the law" ... i.e. lawyerthink.

2019-09-19 10:01:28 UTC  

They take you instead, since you're also property of the state.

2019-09-19 10:02:49 UTC  

Nope, no written constitution.

2019-09-19 10:03:37 UTC  

looks like the USSR had their version of article 50....

2019-09-19 10:03:40 UTC  

"Article 72. Each Union Republic shall retain the right freely to secede from the USSR."

2019-09-19 10:03:47 UTC  

rofl

2019-09-19 10:04:20 UTC  

So ... the USSR was more/as democratic as the EU?

2019-09-19 10:04:54 UTC  

Same thing right?

2019-09-19 10:05:23 UTC  

USSR, EU... both have similar structures.

2019-09-19 10:05:33 UTC  

And ways of doing things.

2019-09-19 10:05:51 UTC  

Of course ... the EU is a communist organisation, because communism = internationalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletarian_internationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale

2019-09-19 10:06:11 UTC  

no the USSR was more...free

2019-09-19 10:06:11 UTC  

@wacka Well, that article 50 was totally correct. You had public buildings at your disposal and you could use the radio. Just be sure to tune in the proper stations and really, if you get arrested, it's only your fault <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2019-09-19 10:06:16 UTC  

The EU isn’t communist silly

2019-09-19 10:06:18 UTC  

observe...

2019-09-19 10:06:23 UTC  

Nor is it undemocratic

2019-09-19 10:06:29 UTC  

Article 80. A Union Republic has the right to enter into relations with other states, conclude treaties with them, exchange diplomatic and consular representatives, and take part in the work of international organisations.

2019-09-19 10:06:57 UTC  

Article 81. The sovereign rights of Union Republics shall be safeguarded by the USSR.