Message from @Slen

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2019-09-29 00:05:59 UTC  

Under very specific conditions?

2019-09-29 00:05:59 UTC  

Sure.

2019-09-29 00:06:01 UTC  

laws against even preaching

2019-09-29 00:06:08 UTC  

Conditions hardly anyone will meet, ever?

2019-09-29 00:06:09 UTC  

Sure.

2019-09-29 00:06:43 UTC  

one person meeting the condition for "Defaming" a prophet of a religion is too much

2019-09-29 00:07:02 UTC  

"Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false" If it was a UK Court, not the ECHR I'd argue that the onus would be on the court to prove the claim to be false, not that the claim did not have enough proof. But considering it is in Europe, good luck getting a fair trial on that.

2019-09-29 00:07:06 UTC  

Under the conditions in which it happened, it was fine.

2019-09-29 00:07:26 UTC  

That is another thing slen

2019-09-29 00:07:47 UTC  

"As for the context of the impugned statements, the seminars had been widely advertised to the public on the Internet and via leaflets, sent out by the head of the right-wing Freedom Party, addressing them especially to young voters and praising them as “top seminars” in the framework of a “free education package”. The title of the seminar had given the – in hindsight misleading – impression that it would include objective information on Islam."

2019-09-29 00:07:52 UTC  

The legal system of the UK and the USA is simply better on the "Innocent until proven guilty" front.

2019-09-29 00:08:34 UTC  

"The applicant had described herself as an expert in the field of Islamic doctrine, already having held seminars of that kind for a while, thus she had to have been aware that her statements were partly based on untrue facts and apt to arouse (justified) indignation in others."

2019-09-29 00:08:34 UTC  

You cannot provide objective seminars on things in magical religion books

2019-09-29 00:09:02 UTC  

ljust point at the grooming gangs, they believe he was a pedo enough to try and imitate him

2019-09-29 00:09:03 UTC  

You can provide the studies of said books in the most well understood way.

2019-09-29 00:09:14 UTC  

You can

2019-09-29 00:09:19 UTC  

She didn't.

2019-09-29 00:09:21 UTC  

🙂

2019-09-29 00:09:26 UTC  

and it is understood...that mohammed was a pedo

2019-09-29 00:09:35 UTC  

Yet she couldn't prove that claim

2019-09-29 00:09:36 UTC  

Well, she did. Its just the Court disagreed.

2019-09-29 00:09:47 UTC  

Understood does not mean objective.

2019-09-29 00:10:14 UTC  

You see thats the difference, she had to prove she was innocent.

In places that actually have sensible legal systems, they would had to prove she was wrong.

2019-09-29 00:10:15 UTC  

just dont object to islam and you're fine, stay in your place peasant

2019-09-29 00:10:28 UTC  

Shouldn't have made false claims @Joshu

2019-09-29 00:10:30 UTC  

Simple.

2019-09-29 00:10:39 UTC  

They wernt false though were they?

2019-09-29 00:10:47 UTC  

She just didnt provide the evidence...or enough of it

2019-09-29 00:10:48 UTC  

It relies on interpretation. And to class as defamation, a court as to positively prove the crime, which would mean they would have to prove her claims to be false. Which they can't.

2019-09-29 00:10:48 UTC  

Claims she couldn't support.

2019-09-29 00:10:52 UTC  

thing is whether she was an expert or not, whether it was a lecture containing lies or biased explanations or not, she was prosecuted for *defaming a long dead religious figure* - which is a blasphemy judgement no matter how you try to interpret it

2019-09-29 00:10:55 UTC  

a claim that was supported

2019-09-29 00:10:59 UTC  

and therefore isnt defamation

2019-09-29 00:11:04 UTC  

No it wasn't supported

2019-09-29 00:11:14 UTC  

The claim itself is supported

2019-09-29 00:11:25 UTC  

maybe not in that seminar...to the court's disgression

2019-09-29 00:11:35 UTC  

However it isnt an untruth

2019-09-29 00:11:36 UTC  

If he were a paedophile then why continue living with his wife after she turned 18?

2019-09-29 00:11:40 UTC  

If this were true.

2019-09-29 00:11:51 UTC  

Thats a silly argument

2019-09-29 00:12:00 UTC  

whether it was supported or not is irrelevant