Message from @Jack of Trades
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idk why you included it
except it is universal
free college and healthcare should be one thing, getting free money (welfare/UBI) are the same thing
UBI is the most logical from of wellfare
but all of wellfare is retarded
It isn't as if health care and public universities / public written debt is going away if we get UBI by the way.
with college and healthcare people still need to do things
well im exaggerating i shouldnt say all, but as a pathology its retarded
with free money you dont need to do anything
no
@Kealor I'm not entirely against this idea, but I think there is potential for good, but we've got to be more discriminatory with it.
with UBI
Welfare should only be a Safety Net, not a lifestyle
UBI, I think, would be better than those **if it replaced them**, so that it still benefits those who do work (unlike welfare), benefits those who dont get crippling sick (unlike free healthcare) and benefits those who dont go to college and get a job otherwise (unlike free college) @Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU
you dont have central planning
if anything
Money for granny's heating bill? A little extra food money for a few months for a family not doing so well?
UBI is the least close to socialism
cuz there is no central planning
@Jack of Trades yeah same, but people pursue it as an end goal rather than a last resort
and thus individuals can use it in the most efficient of ways
These are okay, but there's SO MUCH wealth to go around I don't think nearly as many people that have it, need it.
that's just #capitalism bby
@Kealor I'm aware
@Coolitic I'm more Libertarian, but at least I know what the defenitions for Socialism are.
I don't know if I support UBI at all, but I just think it'd be better than the other financial aid ideas that are in use currently
@Kealor Not only no social planning, but no beuracracy on top of it.
central planning is a central tenet of socialism
u dolt
Nope
yes
Stalinism and Most theories on Communism, yes
you literally cannot have socialism w/o central planning
Not Socialism
libertarian socialism doesnt exist
central planning is a consequence of socialism
because socialists are retarded and cant predict what their movement will do
libertarian socialism is just a meme
If we are to take it's defenition, it does not require planning
and will never be anything more than that
oh sorry,
lemme put it this way