everyone

so does welfare.

agreed

I get you, Timothas. That whole thing put a bad taste in my mouth that it seems more like economic populism for the sake of buying a voting block.

UBI is fairly indistinguishable from wellfare

It's treasure for the masses.

atleast in terms of effect

I dont like welfare, but UBI is the best welfare

it exactly is welfare

idk why you included it

except it is universal

free college and healthcare should be one thing, getting free money (welfare/UBI) are the same thing

UBI is the most logical from of wellfare

but all of wellfare is retarded

It isn't as if health care and public universities / public written debt is going away if we get UBI by the way.

with college and healthcare people still need to do things

well im exaggerating i shouldnt say all, but as a pathology its retarded

with free money you dont need to do anything

no

@Kealor I'm not entirely against this idea, but I think there is potential for good, but we've got to be more discriminatory with it.

with UBI

Welfare should only be a Safety Net, not a lifestyle

UBI, I think, would be better than those **if it replaced them**, so that it still benefits those who do work (unlike welfare), benefits those who dont get crippling sick (unlike free healthcare) and benefits those who dont go to college and get a job otherwise (unlike free college) @Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU

you dont have central planning

if anything

Money for granny's heating bill? A little extra food money for a few months for a family not doing so well?

UBI is the least close to socialism

cuz there is no central planning

@Jack of Trades yeah same, but people pursue it as an end goal rather than a last resort

and thus individuals can use it in the most efficient of ways

These are okay, but there's SO MUCH wealth to go around I don't think nearly as many people that have it, need it.

that's just #capitalism bby

@Kealor I'm aware

@Coolitic I'm more Libertarian, but at least I know what the defenitions for Socialism are.

I don't know if I support UBI at all, but I just think it'd be better than the other financial aid ideas that are in use currently

@Kealor Not only no social planning, but no beuracracy on top of it.

central planning is a central tenet of socialism

u dolt

Nope

yes

Stalinism and Most theories on Communism, yes

you literally cannot have socialism w/o central planning