with UBI

Welfare should only be a Safety Net, not a lifestyle

UBI, I think, would be better than those **if it replaced them**, so that it still benefits those who do work (unlike welfare), benefits those who dont get crippling sick (unlike free healthcare) and benefits those who dont go to college and get a job otherwise (unlike free college) @Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU

you dont have central planning

if anything

Money for granny's heating bill? A little extra food money for a few months for a family not doing so well?

UBI is the least close to socialism

cuz there is no central planning

@Jack of Trades yeah same, but people pursue it as an end goal rather than a last resort

and thus individuals can use it in the most efficient of ways

These are okay, but there's SO MUCH wealth to go around I don't think nearly as many people that have it, need it.

that's just #capitalism bby

@Kealor I'm aware

@Coolitic I'm more Libertarian, but at least I know what the defenitions for Socialism are.

I don't know if I support UBI at all, but I just think it'd be better than the other financial aid ideas that are in use currently

@Kealor Not only no social planning, but no beuracracy on top of it.

central planning is a central tenet of socialism

u dolt

Nope

yes

Stalinism and Most theories on Communism, yes

you literally cannot have socialism w/o central planning

Not Socialism

libertarian socialism doesnt exist

central planning is a consequence of socialism

because socialists are retarded and cant predict what their movement will do

libertarian socialism is just a meme

If we are to take it's defenition, it does not require planning

and will never be anything more than that

oh sorry,

lemme put it this way

frank never said he was libertarian socialist lol

oh, im sorry, the definition of antifa is antifascist

there is no form of socialism without central planning

yeah the only people who drain it are single mothers

just that he understood the word

@Kealor correct

thx for being a fucking fag that is literally arguing the stupidest of semantics

I talk to these people a lot

Most of them hate Stalin

people hear what they want to hear then argue from there