Message from @lunemarie

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2019-09-25 13:02:54 UTC  

Like I said before an AI would not think conceptually in a way that is even comparable to how we do let alone understandable

2019-09-25 13:03:07 UTC  

No, nerves have a different communication system built on aggregate stimuli

2019-09-25 13:03:10 UTC  

Last I heard they were creating experimenting with reproductions of brains at a functional level

2019-09-25 13:03:20 UTC  

That was some years ago

2019-09-25 13:03:34 UTC  

And they also function on a much less efficient chemical circuit, as opposed to an electrical one

2019-09-25 13:03:41 UTC  

I'm guessing you don't have a source on that @Eccles

2019-09-25 13:03:53 UTC  

And also the input senses for the human brain are extremely subjective and flawed

2019-09-25 13:03:58 UTC  

Well, it's bioelectrical

2019-09-25 13:04:04 UTC  

It’s not hard to make inaccuracy or randomness in AI though

2019-09-25 13:04:05 UTC  

^

2019-09-25 13:04:09 UTC  

You can make random noise

2019-09-25 13:04:24 UTC  

The brain is very efficient in the power it has for its size

2019-09-25 13:04:29 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613767975614283832/626403645772005379/5f8c34b.png

2019-09-25 13:04:34 UTC  

Size yes

2019-09-25 13:04:52 UTC  

The human brain is quite decent, but the strength is in the focus on memory and expanse on processing that memory

2019-09-25 13:04:53 UTC  

@lunemarie yeah, but random noise isn't an accurate approximation of healthy human brain subjectivity. You'd just make your computer schizo with that

2019-09-25 13:05:04 UTC  

Mechanical computers also aren't built on nearly such a small scale as the brain

2019-09-25 13:05:10 UTC  

Lmfao true but you can have degrees of randomness

2019-09-25 13:05:25 UTC  

size is irrelevent

2019-09-25 13:05:26 UTC  

You can add risk taking etc

2019-09-25 13:05:36 UTC  

Size is never irrelevant <:Kappa:386676594120589312>

2019-09-25 13:05:50 UTC  

the important thing is if they can accurately model it

2019-09-25 13:05:54 UTC  

Is the brain really random or is it all deterministic based on measurable chemicals and some such

2019-09-25 13:05:57 UTC  

moore's law will do the rest

2019-09-25 13:06:01 UTC  

The first attempts at artificial brains will probably have such horrifying results that they'll be banned globally

2019-09-25 13:06:14 UTC  

Any reason to believe that?

2019-09-25 13:06:19 UTC  

I think if we were to try and make an AI based on what we know and have right now, scholarly and hardware-wise, we'd have things that can solve something we've given it information on how to solve in a very short timespan.

2019-09-25 13:06:25 UTC  

Moores law is in decline last time I checked

2019-09-25 13:06:49 UTC  

I don't think we have anything that can truly learn on its own. So far we've made programs that tell it _how_ to learn, not that it can just learn.

2019-09-25 13:07:00 UTC  

@Samaritan™ it's deterministic but the determinism is so minute that it's extremely difficult to emulate, so it appears nearly random
This is a big hurdle in emulating the brain, and also in understanding neurological processes

2019-09-25 13:07:04 UTC  

More specifically, programs that tell it _what_ to learn

2019-09-25 13:07:05 UTC  

Moore’s law isn’t that fucked right now

2019-09-25 13:07:07 UTC  

See AMD

2019-09-25 13:07:25 UTC  

It’s just harder to make die shrinks happen really which is what propelled it

2019-09-25 13:07:30 UTC  

@UnfilteredGarbage That is effectively my position on this

2019-09-25 13:07:32 UTC  

@Lios this. Deep learning is just efficiency-minded memorization and recall

2019-09-25 13:07:55 UTC  

And only on specific subjects

2019-09-25 13:08:03 UTC  

Well outside of what something one would call intelligence

2019-09-25 13:08:15 UTC  

Technological progression isn't at a consistent speed

2019-09-25 13:08:40 UTC  

Still kinda fast these past few decades