Sometimes I like to come in here during a <:BIGBRAIN:501101491428392991> discussion, and summarize the points laid out for the small brain lurkers. This is my public service.

The totalitarians replaced traditional monotheistic spirituality with culture-worship, and tied that cultural legacy to the State just as Islam wants to tie its subject of worship to the State

'one and only' is fine on the surface. 'one and only at any cost' isnt

There are bits and pieces from Christianity that are decent. Except that Christianity tries to claim things as original to it that it stole from others. And It doesn't surprise me that a community dominated by Christianity would have Christians coming up with good ideas: see Isaac Newton.

Nothing in Christianity specifically is pro abolition. It is folks deciding to ignore the bits in the Bible where Jesus said to slaves to obey their masters and so on. Or the OT rules for how to properly own slaves. They got those ideas by focusing on the bits about loving your brother and so on. Again, Christianity improves when you don't try to take it as a whole, and you pilfer it for loose bits of good morality.

ok yeah fucking stop, once you get text walls you know you've gone too far

Keeping the useless bits, like god and jesus, aren't necessary.

christianity promotes individuallity though

isnt that pro abolition?

Jesus isn't an individualist

@Cryosite the OT is considered pretty much entirely irrelevant by most christians, beyond quoting it to sound smart.

Jesus is a cool dude, he died for you. Muhammad raped little girls, that's bad.

@UnfilteredGarbage Am aware.

OT still forms the basis that the NT uses to try to sound legitimate though.

Jesus didn't say for slaves to obey their masters, that was St Paul

@Ethaneth Jesus also wants you to abandon your families if they don't believe hard enough

Yes

So does the Buddha.

The NT does promote ideals of shirking materialism and tolerance towards your fellow man. Which is extremely broadly applicable to really any social cause. Again, the NT is geared towards reformation of pretty much any type.

and this ladies and gentlemen, is why i hate atheist types, see: @Win Roe

(NT also includes Revelation, just saying)

As opposed to conservative religious orthodoxies like Islam or Judaism

Revelations is a clusterfuck and probably should have been considered apocryphal imho

Slavery throughout history wasn't always chattel slavery. That word was used for what we in America called "indentured servitude" a lot.

Yeah.

Hey I'm just saying, mohammed isn't the only religious guy who did a bad @Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU I'm not saying christfags bad

It was relevant in context

It wasn't just a random jab at jesus

Except for when you take slaves of your conquered neighbor tribes. Especially the philistines.

Then it's chattel slavery.

and always has been.

How is saying leave your family for your faith a bad thing, when people do of their own volition, such as arhats in Buddhism?

@Win Roe it's more about Mohammed's moral shortcomings being made doctrinal to Islam than about Mohammed himself being "le bad guy"

@Cryosite that's just not what chattel slavery is my dude

The Bible contains regulations for how to ~~enslave~~ indentured servitude your fellow Jews. But prisoners of war were not given the same dignity.

I won't disagree with you regarding the OT, but when it comes to the passage from St Paul I don't think he was endorsing chattel slavery, and anyway the Church opposes slavery and did so before America abolished it

@UnfilteredGarbage that's what I was getting at but whatever

African slaves were more often captured by neighboring tribes and sold to whites.

Yes it is.

Chattel slavery refers to the process of systematically transferring entire populations into generational slave labor sheerly for the purpose of industry

Blacks did that