You're implying it's actually morally approved of when it's not

@Cryosite christianity was cited as the reason to abolish slavery, though. The thing with ideology inherently geared toward reformism is that it can be used appropriately as a catalyst for any social or cultural value change

Not so much "it was the news a few years ago. It did happen. It had been happening" as "I use quotation marks to be condescending."

Or that it's something that uniquely happens in the Church and not in all other institutions, including public schools, where it happens to a greater degree

@UnfilteredGarbage im not capable at the moment to articulate what i mean, so ill take it away and think on it

What did I just stumble onto?

the best i can do is to say that extremes of either end are bad, and christianity is not inherently extreme, and mostly a 'live a good life for heaven' thing

islam as a religion is different because they have the thing about suicide being justified

so that changes perspective

@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU fascism and Islamic-style fundamentalist theocracy are not opposite extremes though

Turban bad, holy cracker good

i mean in terms of a religious belief, since the totalitarians tried to do away with religion

Jihad is just extreme blasphemy laws

and muslims are the most extreme believers because of the aspect of boomboom

Actually, fascism and Islamic fundamentalism... strangely good bedfellows...

yeah theyre the same type of thing for sure

Sometimes I like to come in here during a <:BIGBRAIN:501101491428392991> discussion, and summarize the points laid out for the small brain lurkers. This is my public service.

The totalitarians replaced traditional monotheistic spirituality with culture-worship, and tied that cultural legacy to the State just as Islam wants to tie its subject of worship to the State

'one and only' is fine on the surface. 'one and only at any cost' isnt

There are bits and pieces from Christianity that are decent. Except that Christianity tries to claim things as original to it that it stole from others. And It doesn't surprise me that a community dominated by Christianity would have Christians coming up with good ideas: see Isaac Newton.

Nothing in Christianity specifically is pro abolition. It is folks deciding to ignore the bits in the Bible where Jesus said to slaves to obey their masters and so on. Or the OT rules for how to properly own slaves. They got those ideas by focusing on the bits about loving your brother and so on. Again, Christianity improves when you don't try to take it as a whole, and you pilfer it for loose bits of good morality.

ok yeah fucking stop, once you get text walls you know you've gone too far

Keeping the useless bits, like god and jesus, aren't necessary.

christianity promotes individuallity though

isnt that pro abolition?

Jesus isn't an individualist

@Cryosite the OT is considered pretty much entirely irrelevant by most christians, beyond quoting it to sound smart.

Jesus is a cool dude, he died for you. Muhammad raped little girls, that's bad.

@UnfilteredGarbage Am aware.

OT still forms the basis that the NT uses to try to sound legitimate though.

Jesus didn't say for slaves to obey their masters, that was St Paul

@Ethaneth Jesus also wants you to abandon your families if they don't believe hard enough

Yes

So does the Buddha.

The NT does promote ideals of shirking materialism and tolerance towards your fellow man. Which is extremely broadly applicable to really any social cause. Again, the NT is geared towards reformation of pretty much any type.

and this ladies and gentlemen, is why i hate atheist types, see: @Win Roe

(NT also includes Revelation, just saying)

As opposed to conservative religious orthodoxies like Islam or Judaism

Revelations is a clusterfuck and probably should have been considered apocryphal imho

Slavery throughout history wasn't always chattel slavery. That word was used for what we in America called "indentured servitude" a lot.