before the West learned how to live in the winter

Wasn't that before the war cult?

a facist one as well.

since then, they have stagnated

I believe it was the Persian Zoroastrians that were the height of middle-east, right?

'collective relgion' -- redundant

the reason stagnation started was because an imam said math was the work of the devils,

and people bought it.

people still do

refter to the Left

That has to be a joke

it's not

really?

look up Al-Ghazali

i'm not even kidding.

it wasn't so much 'math' as it was 'those that use math'

yeah Hamid Al-Ghazali ruined everything

that fucker

weren't bright enough to grasp 'math' without an intermediary

bottom line is that people bought what he preached

If you were a culture of desert nomads you wouldn't be that smart either...

and just let go of science altogether

most muslims weren't desert nomads.

Googled it, a.l.o.t. of articles and shit that say 'al ghazali is blamed buh he dindu nuffin'

At the beggining they were

well you COULD say that 'science being the new god' as lead the West to it's current degeneracy

iwouldn't

but some would

so it's probably true, knowing google and this constant obsession with apologising for muslims

they weren't @Tonight at 11 - DOOM ,

if you look historical research, there's theories that muhammad didn't even exist

ye, they were popular 40 years ago

@Violetskies, you trust Google?

Mecca wasn't marked on byzantine maps till 3 centuries later

ofc not, re-read dude

Omayyids used crosses on their coins

and then it turned out that more research points to him exsting actually

Oof

what DO you trust @Violetskies

your sources are old research

That's a good question. What do you trust?