Message from @Jack Bright
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and then they just keep going.
I don't know about that, I've been thinking about that for sometime. I don't think we can position Fascism between Socalism and Capitalism.
No, you can't
its socialism 2.0
literally
It's a third position.
It was made by a socialist to fix the problems inherent in socialism.
It did not succeed.
Fascism is a collectivist nationalist ideology, and it's very socialist, but socialism is not its core idea
It just so happens that collectivist ideologies must be more socialist than capitalist by their nature
Yeah, but they don't really redistribute the means of porduction.
They just central plan it for "The greater good"
because you can't 'redistribute' the means of production
Yeah, fascism allows for some capitalism
you literally cannot
It's a third position.
its fucking meaningless as a statement.
Actually think about what that means, redistributing the means of production, and try to imagine how it would work.
There are two basic things that define socialism:
1) Redistribute wealth
2) Collectivize the means of production
Same with collectivizing it.
which is fascism.
Collectivizing is one way of saying "state owned"
That's not collective ownership.
Collectivizing the means of production is not fascism, no
No no no see
Shabang
You *cant* collectivize the means of production.
It doesn't fucking work
Sure you can, you just do it, you use force to do it
Like actually imagine what a factory owned by the entire society would look like
No, you really can't. You can make them state owned, but that means the state owns it, not the population.
How would that function
Collectivizing the means of production doesn't mean the whole society owns the factories
>Even more of a Nationalist, Conservative, and Revolutionary than me
OOF
But that's the intention, that they be used for the collective good.
The point is that its all rhetoric because anarchy is stupid
Revolutionary National Conservatism @Brigade?
But state owned it's not really that, it's for the good of the state.
and it just turns into state owned.