Message from @ETBrooD
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Not that there should be
Marx said the socialist state would redistribute wealth then wither away because it became unnecessary.
but that's
not how states work
or wealth
or anything
A state always works to make itself bigger than before, that's how it works.
Fascism is literally honest socialism
They hit the point where they're redistributing wealth and say
hold on
we have all this power
we were supposed to get rid of it right?
lmao fuck that
and then they just keep going.
I don't know about that, I've been thinking about that for sometime. I don't think we can position Fascism between Socalism and Capitalism.
No, you can't
its socialism 2.0
literally
It's a third position.
It was made by a socialist to fix the problems inherent in socialism.
It did not succeed.
Fascism is a collectivist nationalist ideology, and it's very socialist, but socialism is not its core idea
It just so happens that collectivist ideologies must be more socialist than capitalist by their nature
Yeah, but they don't really redistribute the means of porduction.
They just central plan it for "The greater good"
because you can't 'redistribute' the means of production
Yeah, fascism allows for some capitalism
you literally cannot
It's a third position.
its fucking meaningless as a statement.
Actually think about what that means, redistributing the means of production, and try to imagine how it would work.
There are two basic things that define socialism:
1) Redistribute wealth
2) Collectivize the means of production
Same with collectivizing it.
The only way you can do it is to make them part of the state
which is fascism.
Collectivizing is one way of saying "state owned"
That's not collective ownership.
Collectivizing the means of production is not fascism, no
No no no see
Shabang
You *cant* collectivize the means of production.
It doesn't fucking work