Message from @Jack Bright

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2019-07-12 05:09:55 UTC  

He literally never said.

2019-07-12 05:09:58 UTC  

He just said that it would

2019-07-12 05:10:01 UTC  

because he's a fucking idiot.

2019-07-12 05:10:05 UTC  

It's dumb shit.

2019-07-12 05:10:06 UTC  

Marxism only described there would be a revolution

2019-07-12 05:10:15 UTC  

A constant revolution.

2019-07-12 05:10:17 UTC  

Not that there should be

2019-07-12 05:10:24 UTC  

Marx said the socialist state would redistribute wealth then wither away because it became unnecessary.

2019-07-12 05:10:29 UTC  

but that's

2019-07-12 05:10:31 UTC  

not how states work

2019-07-12 05:10:48 UTC  

or wealth

2019-07-12 05:10:50 UTC  

or anything

2019-07-12 05:10:56 UTC  

A state always works to make itself bigger than before, that's how it works.

2019-07-12 05:11:12 UTC  

Fascism is literally honest socialism

2019-07-12 05:11:19 UTC  

They hit the point where they're redistributing wealth and say

2019-07-12 05:11:20 UTC  

hold on

2019-07-12 05:11:23 UTC  

we have all this power

2019-07-12 05:11:30 UTC  

we were supposed to get rid of it right?
lmao fuck that

2019-07-12 05:11:32 UTC  

and then they just keep going.

2019-07-12 05:11:57 UTC  

I don't know about that, I've been thinking about that for sometime. I don't think we can position Fascism between Socalism and Capitalism.

2019-07-12 05:12:13 UTC  

No, you can't

2019-07-12 05:12:16 UTC  

its socialism 2.0

2019-07-12 05:12:17 UTC  

literally

2019-07-12 05:12:18 UTC  

It's a third position.

2019-07-12 05:12:44 UTC  

It was made by a socialist to fix the problems inherent in socialism.
It did not succeed.

2019-07-12 05:12:56 UTC  

Fascism is a collectivist nationalist ideology, and it's very socialist, but socialism is not its core idea

2019-07-12 05:13:14 UTC  

It just so happens that collectivist ideologies must be more socialist than capitalist by their nature

2019-07-12 05:13:19 UTC  

Yeah, but they don't really redistribute the means of porduction.

2019-07-12 05:13:29 UTC  

They just central plan it for "The greater good"

2019-07-12 05:13:31 UTC  

because you can't 'redistribute' the means of production

2019-07-12 05:13:36 UTC  

Yeah, fascism allows for some capitalism

2019-07-12 05:13:37 UTC  

you literally cannot

2019-07-12 05:13:43 UTC  

It's a third position.

2019-07-12 05:13:45 UTC  

its fucking meaningless as a statement.

2019-07-12 05:14:16 UTC  

Actually think about what that means, redistributing the means of production, and try to imagine how it would work.

2019-07-12 05:14:16 UTC  

There are two basic things that define socialism:
1) Redistribute wealth
2) Collectivize the means of production

2019-07-12 05:14:25 UTC  

Same with collectivizing it.

2019-07-12 05:14:58 UTC  

The only way you can do it is to make them part of the state

2019-07-12 05:15:00 UTC  

which is fascism.

2019-07-12 05:15:04 UTC  

Collectivizing is one way of saying "state owned"