Message from @Cesare Anasazi

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2019-08-04 17:14:22 UTC  

period

2019-08-04 17:14:36 UTC  

like I said: I do believe, that you rightfully inherit the works of your ancestors.

2019-08-04 17:14:51 UTC  

If my father worked so hard he lost a thumb I dont need to lose one to inherit his wealth

2019-08-04 17:15:00 UTC  

What if your parents stole the wealth you inherited from them, from Jimmy's parents?

2019-08-04 17:15:05 UTC  

but with the good, shouldn't you also inherit the bad?
I do not think that you should, but it would be more consistent.

2019-08-04 17:16:07 UTC  

If they stole it, they should be punished. If it's proven they stole it and I was unaware I need to get back what's left but not penalized

2019-08-04 17:16:42 UTC  

If I stole something then gave it as a gift, person who has the gift doesnt deserve any punishment

2019-08-04 17:16:57 UTC  

You know that this is the argument for slavery reparations and the like, right?

2019-08-04 17:17:39 UTC  

No idea, I am russian, we're enslaved each other lol

2019-08-04 17:17:43 UTC  

@Tonight at 11 - DOOM honestly, all manners of aquiring wealth is viable in a historical context... we are kinda in a world where killing and stealing is quite natural...
in terms of societal norms, they should be punished, ofc. but the person doing the deed, not their children. problem is: you inevitably also punish the child, but I guess that is also then kinda their inheritance?

2019-08-04 17:17:52 UTC  

No one owes me shit except my boss

2019-08-04 17:18:01 UTC  

oh and Deezer

2019-08-04 17:18:03 UTC  

I pay them

2019-08-04 17:18:25 UTC  

xD

2019-08-04 17:20:05 UTC  

And when it comes to migration I am undecided yet

2019-08-04 17:20:18 UTC  

it is a tricky topic.

2019-08-04 17:20:22 UTC  

I think relaxed border is the best thing but only if country has no welfare period

2019-08-04 17:20:36 UTC  

and low regulations

2019-08-04 17:21:38 UTC  

how about only a social security net for citizens?

2019-08-04 17:22:01 UTC  

no clue, why countries give anything to non-citizens, honestly.

2019-08-04 17:22:02 UTC  

Under my preffered system there cant be one, really

2019-08-04 17:22:24 UTC  

Objectivism argues for exclusivly voluntary tax

2019-08-04 17:22:41 UTC  

I can understand that, but Germany actually went pretty well with one for a while...

2019-08-04 17:22:42 UTC  

So only private charities

2019-08-04 17:22:57 UTC  

then it just got out of hand.

2019-08-04 17:23:07 UTC  

Well, it's a principle of the thing

2019-08-04 17:23:10 UTC  

yes

2019-08-04 17:24:30 UTC  

but as Sargon sais about liberalism: there are practical contradictions to some principles, which are viable in certain cases.

2019-08-04 17:25:14 UTC  

it may contradict the principle, but as long as you do not stray too far from it, and it is pracical, it is also viable.

2019-08-04 17:25:34 UTC  

I dont make distinction between morality and practicality

2019-08-04 17:25:48 UTC  

It is immoral to tax no matter how "practical" it might be

2019-08-04 17:31:38 UTC  

What I found particularly unsettling in the "We are Deutch" video Soygon talks about in his response, at least back when I first saw it back in the day, was how aggressive the "new Germans" were depicted to be. Especially considering the "backwards, bigoted" enemy were also depicted holding placards with politicians from foreign polities. I specifically remember Hungary and Netherlands.

2019-08-04 17:33:03 UTC  

No, look, when you've identified evil, you've cornered evil, it can't spring up somewhere else, it literally cannot physically manifest anywhere else in the world, because evil is a frail little creature that can only exist in one place. Thus Nazis evil, everyone else good. Unless you're for borders, then you're also evil, which means you're a Nazi. See? It works flawlessly.

2019-08-04 17:34:18 UTC  

I'm for borders but low regulation of them. I guess I am prat evil?

2019-08-04 17:34:25 UTC  

I think Soygon either makes the point you just called out - which makes him a moron, or is making an entirely different point tbh.

2019-08-04 17:35:39 UTC  

Not that Britbongs are immune to evil, but that this particular manifestation of evil wouldn't come very naturally to them because of cultural baggage. Which doesn't mean that others wouldn't.

2019-08-04 17:36:22 UTC  

I didnt watch that vid in entirety I literally fell asleep

2019-08-04 17:36:37 UTC  

It also so fucking boring it doesnt concern me

2019-08-04 17:36:50 UTC  

I actually disagree with Sargon that British people couldn't become Nazis

2019-08-04 17:37:15 UTC  

But not right now, because it requires a few more turnings of the wheel before it can happen

2019-08-04 17:37:21 UTC  

Again, I don;t think he's saying they couldn;t