Message from @Cesare Anasazi
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nah I was just thinking of how to phrase it and if there's another statement on the topic which is frequently being made.
No one owes anyone anything just cause they were born in different places
agreed.
If my parents worked a lot and gave me their wealth as inheritance that's between me and them
period
like I said: I do believe, that you rightfully inherit the works of your ancestors.
If my father worked so hard he lost a thumb I dont need to lose one to inherit his wealth
What if your parents stole the wealth you inherited from them, from Jimmy's parents?
but with the good, shouldn't you also inherit the bad?
I do not think that you should, but it would be more consistent.
If they stole it, they should be punished. If it's proven they stole it and I was unaware I need to get back what's left but not penalized
If I stole something then gave it as a gift, person who has the gift doesnt deserve any punishment
You know that this is the argument for slavery reparations and the like, right?
No idea, I am russian, we're enslaved each other lol
@Tonight at 11 - DOOM honestly, all manners of aquiring wealth is viable in a historical context... we are kinda in a world where killing and stealing is quite natural...
in terms of societal norms, they should be punished, ofc. but the person doing the deed, not their children. problem is: you inevitably also punish the child, but I guess that is also then kinda their inheritance?
No one owes me shit except my boss
oh and Deezer
I pay them
xD
And when it comes to migration I am undecided yet
it is a tricky topic.
and low regulations
how about only a social security net for citizens?
no clue, why countries give anything to non-citizens, honestly.
Under my preffered system there cant be one, really
Objectivism argues for exclusivly voluntary tax
I can understand that, but Germany actually went pretty well with one for a while...
So only private charities
then it just got out of hand.
Well, it's a principle of the thing
yes
but as Sargon sais about liberalism: there are practical contradictions to some principles, which are viable in certain cases.
it may contradict the principle, but as long as you do not stray too far from it, and it is pracical, it is also viable.
I dont make distinction between morality and practicality
It is immoral to tax no matter how "practical" it might be
What I found particularly unsettling in the "We are Deutch" video Soygon talks about in his response, at least back when I first saw it back in the day, was how aggressive the "new Germans" were depicted to be. Especially considering the "backwards, bigoted" enemy were also depicted holding placards with politicians from foreign polities. I specifically remember Hungary and Netherlands.
No, look, when you've identified evil, you've cornered evil, it can't spring up somewhere else, it literally cannot physically manifest anywhere else in the world, because evil is a frail little creature that can only exist in one place. Thus Nazis evil, everyone else good. Unless you're for borders, then you're also evil, which means you're a Nazi. See? It works flawlessly.
I'm for borders but low regulation of them. I guess I am prat evil?
I think Soygon either makes the point you just called out - which makes him a moron, or is making an entirely different point tbh.
Not that Britbongs are immune to evil, but that this particular manifestation of evil wouldn't come very naturally to them because of cultural baggage. Which doesn't mean that others wouldn't.
I didnt watch that vid in entirety I literally fell asleep